Straight streach of highway.

[bc.gold 3,403]

Not sure of the condition of the occupants of the car and the truck driver is fortunate his load of pipe stayed secured to the trailer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by bc.gold

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

Wow... that was a hard hit!  In spite of the license plate on the car, "EASY 1", I bet that was not so easy.

 

 

[D_Mac 8,619]

Trying to figure out the direction of each when they hit. Drive side damage to the car and passenger side damage to the tractor trailer. One in the wrong lane?

[bc.gold 3,403]

3 hours ago, D_Mac said:

Trying to figure out the direction of each when they hit. Drive side damage to the car and passenger side damage to the tractor trailer. One in the wrong lane?

 

I've been trying to reconstruct how it happened myself, tractor was traveling west, at the time of the accident the sun would still be at 10:00 am in the east.

 

Car must have been traveling east into the sun.

 

How did a small car manage to dislodge the trailer axles. DOT will be all over that trailer.

Edited August 12, 2022 by bc.gold

[wallfish 17,000]

4 hours ago, D_Mac said:

passenger side damage to the tractor trailer

Sure looks like driver side of the trailer to me. Last pic

Someone crossed the center line. My guess is the car crossed and drove head on into the tires of the trailer. If the truck crossed it would be difficult for the car to get around the truck to the trailer. But -- stranger things have happened. Those skid marks of the trailer tires can't be seen where they started from. I'm sure they would've started skidding the second it was hit.

 

[D_Mac 8,619]

Yeah my bad. Driver side to driver side .

[bc.gold 3,403]

1 hour ago, wallfish said:

Sure looks like driver side of the trailer to me. Last pic

Someone crossed the center line. My guess is the car crossed and drove head on into the tires of the trailer. If the truck crossed it would be difficult for the car to get around the truck to the trailer. But -- stranger things have happened. Those skid marks of the trailer tires can't be seen where they started from. I'm sure they would've started skidding the second it was hit.

 

 Right you are, went back and did two short video's which clearly show this be the case.

Edited August 12, 2022 by bc.gold

[bc.gold 3,403]

Skid marks from the truck indicate the driver saw disaster in the making and tried to avoid it, in the second video you can see where the car had crossed the center line.

Trucker nailed the brakes long before the car made contact.

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by bc.gold

[wallfish 17,000]

This was last summer. Kid pulled out of a store's parking lot full blast turning left and trying to beat the traffic coming the other direction. Ripped the rear axle off the springs. Because it was the front corner of his car, backed by the frame, he was able to drive his away. Not completely road worthy but it drove away. Me, not so much. Luckily it didn't roll up on his car and flip it on it's side. I was doing about 40-45 mph

 

[bc.gold 3,403]

28 minutes ago, wallfish said:

This was last summer. Kid pulled out of a store's parking lot full blast turning left and trying to beat the traffic coming the other direction. Ripped the rear axle off the springs. Because it was the front corner of his car, backed by the frame, he was able to drive his away. Not completely road worthy but it drove away. Me, not so much. Luckily it didn't roll up on his car and flip it on it's side. I was doing about 40-45 mph

 

[wallfish 17,000]

It was relevant because YOU seemed to think there was a problem with the trailer axles getting knocked off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

2 hours ago, bc.gold said:

How did a small car manage to dislodge the trailer axles. DOT will be all over that trailer.

I'm sure that trailer was traveling pretty fast and with a big load. The instant impact of a car hitting them could easily do that damage!!!!! As proof from the pic posted above.

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,318]

2 hours ago, wallfish said:

It was relevant because YOU seemed to think there was a problem with the trailer axles getting knocked off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

Agreed

[bc.gold 3,403]

if you look where the trailer tires had locked up first video, I think the axle came loose when the trucker locked up the brakes and not from the impact with the car.

 

The skid mark on drivers side of the trailer is very wide and dark because of the tire being cocked sideways.

 

You can see evidence of rust scale with two rivets not freshly broken on the piece of metal hanging down. This is what i was referring too when I said the DOT is going to be all over that trailer. Inspecting every weld and rivet.

 

I think the only damage the car did to the trailer was to peel the tires off. Car looks worse than it was directly after the accident because they used the jaws to open the doors.

 

Had the accident not occurred this cancer would have gone unnoticed.

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by bc.gold

[bc.gold 3,403]

The heavy black skid mark starts long before the car made contact with the trailer which to me indicates the axle had dislodged long before impact.

 

Also from the skid mark its obvious the truck driver took evasive action.

 

Trailer has rust issues.

 

[Rick3478 428]

Leave the investigation to the professionals.

 

[bc.gold 3,403]

17 hours ago, Rick3478 said:

Leave the investigation to the professionals.

 

 

I'm just posting my observations from the accident scene, if you've noted any of my observations to be incorrect please state them for further discussion.

 

As to the cause of the accident, I'm sure the professionals will determine that. Personally I do not think the truck driver will receive any charges nor demerits against his drivers license.

 

He did everything possible to avoid contact with the car, the condition of the trailer had nothing to do with the cause.

 

Hauling pipe is one the the most dangerous loads, had they shifted forward could have sheared the truck cab right off of the chassis. The truck driver a noted professional knew how to properly secure the load.

 

A buddy of mine hauling a load of lumber had a run away in Colorado, he took a run away lane truck and trailer became air born.

 

Bob told me the chains were stretched so tight that you could hold the chain straight out like a honey moon dick.

Edited August 14, 2022 by bc.gold

[bc.gold 3,403]

Pat and I were coming down a very steep switch back loaded with scrap metal when my breaks over heated, very unprofessional of me. Inexperience on my part but a lesson I'll never forget.

 

Thankfully Pat did not panic and we never met any traffic that was on its way up, the logging trucks in the region have water tanks on them that let water onto the drums to keep them cool.

 

Anyhow my truck was not equipped with water, I let the clutch in foot off the air brakes for very short intervals then hammered them for a couple of seconds. Repeated this procedure until I had managed to get the truck stopped at the bottom of the grade. .

 

The drums were almost white hot, chalked the wheels with the shoes retracted otherwise we could have had a fire to also deal with, we waited for the drums to cool down before proceeding towards our scrap yard.

 

Yea we ran a scrap yard, ya learn a lot but it don't make ya a genius, I'm still working on that.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by bc.gold

[Rick3478 428]

1 hour ago, bc.gold said:

 

I'm just posting my observations from the accident scene, if you've noted any of my observations to be incorrect please state them for further discussion.

 

I didn't see anything in the photos or videos you posted that support the conclusions you were drawing.  Looked to me like the long skid mark started about where impact occurred, and the rim and axle damage looked consistent with impact from car.  Truck driver probably didn't even need brakes with that much drag.  One video did show you driving left of center and reflections of loose parts and materials on dashboard which are not exactly a properly secured load.  Those are my observations.

[bc.gold 3,403]

2 hours ago, Rick3478 said:

I didn't see anything in the photos or videos you posted that support the conclusions you were drawing.  Looked to me like the long skid mark started about where impact occurred, and the rim and axle damage looked consistent with impact from car.  Truck driver probably didn't even need brakes with that much drag.  One video did show you driving left of center and reflections of loose parts and materials on dashboard which are not exactly a properly secured load.  Those are my observations.

 

To the left of my bug deflector looks like a shadow on the road, follow it and you'll see exactly where car made contact with trailer.

 

Car cross's over right after the second yellow center line.

 

Truck driver had applied brakes long before that and at the time of impact truck driver had both truck and trailer onto the paved edge of the road.

 

Any further than that he would have tipped the load.

 

[Rick3478 428]

21 minutes ago, bc.gold said:

To the left of my bug deflector looks like a shadow on the road, follow it and you'll see exactly where car made contact with trailer.

Car cross's over right after the second yellow center line.

 

Why would only the left side of the car leave a mark?  Looks to me like impact happened way down the road where the big black mark starts, and the little mark coming into the camera might be where the car slid to as the truck pulled onto the right shoulder.  None of the photos or videos appear to show the relationship between the debris field at impact point and final resting place(s).  You could be right or both of us could be wrong, there could be other factors we don't know about, but I don't think the photos and videos posted are sufficient to draw the conclusions that you did.

 

21 minutes ago, bc.gold said:

Truck driver had applied brakes long before that and at the time of impact truck driver had both truck and trailer onto the paved edge of the road.

 

I don't see any evidence of that, and with all that stuff dragging the truck probably wouldn't need brakes at all.

 

I also think you should have left it alone.  Seemed like you doing "lookit me!" at the scene of someone's demise,

and that's too morbid for me.  Said what I think, and some of what I *really* think.  I'm done with it.

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

8 minutes ago, Rick3478 said:

Why would only the left side of the car leave a mark?

 

Tire failure perhaps?  Could have been what caused him to cross the line.

 

Straight stretch of road, possibly excessive speed caused tire failure.  I myself would have been doing at least 90 on that stretch!  But not on cheap tires !

 

 

[bc.gold 3,403]

59 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Tire failure perhaps?  Could have been what caused him to cross the line.

 

Straight stretch of road, possibly excessive speed caused tire failure.  I myself would have been doing at least 90 on that stretch!  But not on cheap tires !

 

 

Jeff-C175  you might have nailed it, low air pressure or a blow out.

 

The ABS and traction sensor will detect that the rotational velocity on all tires do not match the expected. A low tire changes the effective radius of the tire, and therefore the rotational velocity will be different in the wheel with the low tire.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

8 minutes ago, bc.gold said:

low air pressure

 

When I was still working I was known as the "Tire Pressure Guy" because at break time walks around the parking lot I would check all the tires visually and let the owners know they had a low tire.  Low tire pressure is the leading cause of blow outs at speed.

 

One day I went down a row with my tire pressure gauge in hand checking all of about 20 cars.  I can tell you that at least HALF of them had at least one tire that was quite low on air.  Some had more than one, a couple had ALL. 

 

Radial tires don't really show how low they are until they get SERIOUSLY low.

 

Most people that I talk to don't care for TPMS systems.  I don't know why... it could save a life!

 

 

[bc.gold 3,403]

Low tire pressure was the cause of Tom's ATV accident.

[8ntruck 7,007]

The TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) came about largely because of the Ford Explorer roll over accidents a while back.  To solve a ride issue, Ford specified a lower tire pressure than Firestone recommended for the application.  Turns out that a relatively small air loss would reduce the tire's load carrying capacity enough that the tire would overheat and fail at highway speeds.  Of course, being radial tires, the tires did not look low when they actually under pressure.  In this time period, the Explorer was still more of a truck than a car, so it tended to roll when a panicked driver reacted to a blown tire  with large, sudden steering, throttle, and brake inputs at speed.

 

As a result of the government investigations, TPMS were required on passenger cars as a safety feature.

 

Most TPMS use valve stems with pressure transducers attached.  The transducers communicate with the car's computer through some sort of short range radio frequency link.