Docwheelhorse 2,660 #1 Posted July 5, 2022 Hello All, What's the estimate plus or minus 1 Million Ugga Duggas to do this to your hitch and uni drive case. No I didn't do it and don't know story... just a hitch in my pile if parts... 1 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #2 Posted July 5, 2022 I hope I'm not going to get too technical here for you but obviously it depends on the size and strength of the Ugga Dugga Machine. The numeric count of Ugga Duggas has a direct and often exponential effect based on many many factors. Not the least of which is the fractional or percentage-based difference of the volume and density of the Ugga Dugga-er and the Ugga Dugga-ee. Rough estimate? The first number that comes to mind is 374. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,002 #3 Posted July 5, 2022 Irreststable force applied to the immovable object? I'd say that there was some tractor speed and slack in the attachment chain or cable involved in whatever happened. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #4 Posted July 5, 2022 Lol ...going the other way on this one..... 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Docwheelhorse 2,660 #5 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, 8ntruck said: Irreststable force applied to the immovable object? I'd say that there was some tractor speed and slack in the attachment chain or cable involved in whatever happened. You would have to be approaching 200 mph on your WH and be able to hold on when the slack took up. I wonder what happened to driver!! Edited July 5, 2022 by Docwheelhorse 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #6 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Docwheelhorse said: No I didn't do it and don't know story Bottom line: I wouldn't want to be the next owner of the tractor that came from. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,571 #7 Posted July 5, 2022 Absolutely no regard for tongue weight would be my guess ?? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #8 Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, ebinmaine said: Rough estimate? The first number that comes to mind is 374. Eric... your mind is going stale... I was thinking something more like this... Don 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #9 Posted July 5, 2022 You know boys, I just had a thought that you may want to consider... Anthropomorphic beagle at work... The way that rod is bent IN... makes me think that maybe someone backed into something, such as a brick wall. If it was bent OUT... I would think it could be from pulling something... WHATCHYA think guys... 'ham I on the right track? Still sniffen' Don 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,856 #10 Posted July 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: The way that rod is bent IN... makes me think that maybe someone backed into something, such as a brick wall. the weight of the heavy object would have transferred through the double shear part of the hitch (outside) and the center was hooked to (still has part of) the transmission casing. either way, that’s one tough everything else on the Horse! Me thinks EB ain’t got nothing compared to the PO’s weight adding program on the mochine! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #11 Posted July 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pullstart said: the weight of the heavy object would have transferred through the double shear part of the hitch (outside) and the center was hooked to (still has part of) the transmission casing. Just curious to me how the center pin bent inward... makes zero sense to me with the "pulling" argument... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,856 #12 Posted July 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: Just curious to me how the center pin bent inward... makes zero sense to me with the "pulling" argument... Don see the force needed for the hitch to bend the pin.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,002 #13 Posted July 5, 2022 Or rotate it 90 degrees so the force is vertices and pointing down per @Achto suggestion. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #14 Posted July 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, 8ntruck said: Or rotate it 90 degrees so the force is vertices and pointing down per @Achto suggestion. @Achto's "vertical" starts to make sense when looking at the welded-on reinforcement under the drawbar. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,002 #15 Posted July 5, 2022 In my experience, failures are usually the result of several causes that combine to form an unexpected condition that exceeds the design strength. The fracture plane on the trapped tranny pieces suggests a combination of a large vertical load and a large horizontal load. Whatever the story is, it is probably a pretty good one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #16 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, 8ntruck said: Whatever the story is, it is probably a pretty good one In a manner of speaking. Would be interesting to know something that actually exceeded both the design capability and the margin for error! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,856 #17 Posted July 5, 2022 @8ntruck @Handy Don what kind of force would it take to bend that 3/4” solid bar? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,305 #18 Posted July 5, 2022 Looks like it was dropped on its behind from atop a ten story building. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,104 #19 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) @WHX?? had his prize Horse chained to a tree by the hitch. Had to make a mad dash to take a pee at 2AM and forgot it was chained down. After about 30 attempts to get to the pee house Uncle Jim didn't have to go anymore. @Achto had to cut the chain with a worn hack saw blade out of Jim's glove box. Hitch slowly made its way back east. Someone sneaked it into one of Ed Dog's @Ed Kennell buckets. @Sparky got distracted by Howard ,bought the bucket because it had an old Potato Chip bag in it, found the hitch and snuck it into Docs pile. Edited July 5, 2022 by squonk 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EB-80/8inPA 1,641 #20 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, squonk said: @WHX?? had his prize Horse chained to a tree by the hitch. Had to make a mad dash to take a pee at 2AM and forgot it was chained down. After about 30 attempts to get to the pee house Uncle Jim didn't have to go anymore. @Achto had to cut the chain with a worn hack saw blade out of Jim's glove box. Hitch slowly made its way back east. Someone sneaked it into one of Ed Dog's @Ed Kennell buckets. @Sparky got distracted by Howard ,bought the bucket because it had an old Potato Chip bag in it, found the hitch and snuck it into Docs pile. That makes sense. I was going to go with the rare factory hitch camber option, but no one would believe that. Edited July 5, 2022 by EB-80/8inPA 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,557 #21 Posted July 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Snoopy11 said: Eric... your mind is going stale... I was thinking something more like this... Don Thirty third line down, 17th digit… you missed a decimal… 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #22 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Pullstart said: @8ntruck @Handy Don what kind of force would it take to bend that 3/4” solid bar? Anything close to precise would be hard to compute since the geometry of the certainly broken transaxle casing is unknown. So assume the ¾" bar of mild steel was held at two points 6" apart and all the opposing force was directly in the middle of the bar and the "yield" (i.e. how far it bent) is about ½". We'll also not try to figure what it took to twist the two arms of the drawbar. Yeah, lots of "assuming"! Using one of my online calculators, it looks like 40,000 lbs or more. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Docwheelhorse 2,660 #23 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Handy Don said: Anything close to precise would be hard to compute since the geometry of the certainly broken transaxle casing is unknown. So assume the ¾" bar of mild steel was held at two points 6" apart and all the opposing force was directly in the middle of the bar and the "yield" (i.e. how far it bent) is about ½". We'll also not try to figure what it took to twist the two arms of the drawbar. Yeah, lots of "assuming"! Using one of my online calculators, it looks like 40,000 lbs or more. It must of been on one of the Briggs powered tractors and the guy side stepped the clutch. You gotta be careful, the Briggs powered stuff is stout! That's why all of @Wild Bill in VA Tecumseh powered stuff has perfectly straight hitch pins ! Lol Edited July 5, 2022 by Docwheelhorse 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adsm08 2,056 #24 Posted July 5, 2022 3 Ugga Dugga is the highest torque spec I've encountered. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #25 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, adsm08 said: 3 Ugga Dugga is the highest torque spec I've encountered. I'm going with this, too! Plus or minus one "oh 5hi+" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
