1977 C160 Auto... Pieces.

[Mike C160 251]

@ebinmaine yes it actually is a small pebble that fell in off the top of the case as it was split in situ. 

[ebinmaine 67,487]

9 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

A Haiku…

 

Confucius wise man

@ebinmaine claimed so

Consult Colossus 

 

A haiku...

 

If it's worth doing

It's worth doing tomorrow

So says The Large Bear

 

 

 

[Mike C160 251]

Ok

 

Need some words of wisdom.

 

Is there a good tutorial on removing and installing these needle bearings? Or in the alternative someone with experience at removing and installing these bearings? 

By better judgement is telling me to replace all the bearings in that case. And if there is a simple way to remove them I will. 

 

So i will have to order parts from lowell and it will take at least two weeks for them to arrive. So I have some time to get some tools and a good procedure in place. 

 

Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. 

 

Cheers

 

[ebinmaine 67,487]

The bearing and outer shield are one piece. 

Right or wrong... I've used a socket of very close diameter as a driver. 

[Mike C160 251]

4 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

The bearing and outer shield are one piece. 

Right or wrong... I've used a socket of very close diameter as a driver. 

 

I see that now!! That makes it easy! 

 

I thought it was a blind hole I had to slide them out of. 

[Maxwell-8 4,275]

43 minutes ago, Mike C160 said:

 

1) Left side inner axle bearing 1533 Partial failure / full on failure in progress.

2) Right side mushroom gear needle bearing. 

I have seen broken needle bearings destroy those ball bearings. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Maxwell-8

[pfrederi 17,739]

 Your parking pawl is shot..  Somebody kept engaging it while still in motion.  A to Z can probably fix you up with  good used one...  I also use a close size socket to drive out bearings.

[Maxwell-8 4,275]

2 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

I also use a close size socket to drive out bearings.

Great point, also a good idea to drive in bearings

 

[Mike C160 251]

20 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

 Your parking pawl is shot..  Somebody kept engaging it while still in motion.  A to Z can probably fix you up with  good used one...  I also use a close size socket to drive out bearings.

I saw it was pretty chewed.  I dont think im gonna worry about it right now. It takes many weeks to get stuff from A to Z for me.

 

I think im going to order all new bearings and seals and call it a day.

 

Thanks. 

[Mike C160 251]

So the next big question.

 

The machine is a 1977 C160 auto and I dont have a parts manual for it.

 

I do have the 1975 C160 Auto parts manual. Is it ok to get my part #'s out of this manual?

 

Cheers

[ebinmaine 67,487]

32 minutes ago, Mike C160 said:

So the next big question.

 

The machine is a 1977 C160 auto and I dont have a parts manual for it.

 

I do have the 1975 C160 Auto parts manual. Is it ok to get my part #'s out of this manual?

 

Cheers

Should be the same... 

 

Lowell will have the numbers for the bearings. 

 

I'm very curious to know why it takes so much longer to get stuff from Pennsylvania than it does from Michigan or whatever. 

 

[Mike C160 251]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

Should be the same... 

 

Lowell will have the numbers for the bearings. 

 

I'm very curious to know why it takes so much longer to get stuff from Pennsylvania than it does from Michigan or whatever. 

 

No idea.

 

I ordered from A to Z long ago. It shipped right away. Its still not here. Its been 3 weeks. Yet stuff from lowell takes about 14 days.

 

Cheers

[Mike C160 251]

Ok,

 

250 bucks later, Ive ordered all the parts. All bearings and seals. May as well completely freshen it up completely. Cept the parking brake pawl. Not really concerned about that right now. Too hard / long to source one. Unless someone just happens to have one hanging around.

 

So now we wait.

 

[ebinmaine 67,487]

10 minutes ago, Mike C160 said:

pawl

Check eBay Canada. Never know.....?

 

[Mike C160 251]

55 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Check eBay Canada. Never know.....?

 

 

Ordered a bearing puller set to get those 1533s out. 

 

[Mike C160 251]

4 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said:

Great point, also a good idea to drive in bearings

 

 

 

Did you find you needed that jig to install the axle bearings? Cant just gingerly tap them into place??

 

Great home brew jig by the way.

 

Cheers 

[Maxwell-8 4,275]

1 minute ago, Mike C160 said:

Did you find you needed that jig to install the axle bearings? Cant just gingerly tap them into place??

 

Great home brew jig by the way.

 

Thanks,  You can, I have done a couple with success but I have also broken one by hammering it in. Had to go out order a new bearing and then made this jig. It insures a more strait install and protects the roller from locking.

[Maxwell-8 4,275]

1 hour ago, Mike C160 said:

Ordered a bearing puller set to get those 1533s out. 

I had an old set laying around, a must have to remove bearings or left overs like here:

[Mike C160 251]

1 minute ago, Maxwell-8 said:

Thanks,  You can, I have done a couple with success but I have also broken one by hammering it in. Had to go out order a new bearing and then made this jig. It insures a more strait install and protects the roller from locking.

 

Gotcha. Prolly best plan is to start with wood until the brg is well inserted and then level it off with some gentle taps from the knock-ometer.

 

[Maxwell-8 4,275]

Just now, Mike C160 said:

 

Gotcha. Prolly best plan is to start with wood until the brg is well inserted and then level it off with some gentle taps from the knock-ometer.

 

If you are going to use a hammer, go for a rubber hammer, I think it's softer on the bearing.

[ebinmaine 67,487]

40 minutes ago, Mike C160 said:

 

Gotcha. Prolly best plan is to start with wood until the brg is well inserted and then level it off with some gentle taps from the knock-ometer.

 

 

That's what I usually do. A closet clothing pole works well.  

 

39 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

If you are going to use a hammer, go for a rubber hammer, I think it's softer on the bearing.

 

We use nylon sand filled dead blow hammers. They don't bounce like rubber hammers. 

Much easier to control the concussion.  

 

[Mike C160 251]

16 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

That's what I usually do. A closet clothing pole works well.  

 

 

We use nylon sand filled dead blow hammers. They don't bounce like rubber hammers. 

Much easier to control the concussion.  

 

 

Yep. I think i got a nylon knock-ometer around here somewhere

[ebinmaine 67,487]

8 minutes ago, Mike C160 said:

 

Yep. I think i got a nylon knock-ometer around here somewhere

 

I s'pose a wood 🪵 stick would work too. 

[Mike C160 251]

@pfrederi

 

Would wouldnt happen to have a standard part number for the Orings that go on the hydraulic lines right at the pump would you???

 

 

Thanks and Cheers..

[Mike C160 251]

Got my bearing puller set today.

 

All bearings are out and case clean up has begun. 

 

Lowell shipped parts today.