857lover 291 #1 Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) so i went up to a-z tractor picked up some axel seals and i pulled the seal out but i think i broke the front part of my needle bearing what should i do i’m getting such bad luck 3 weekends ago my 857 trans broke last week i bought this 1267 found out it was leaking really bad and this week this i am really getting frustrated with theese machines but i think this one was operator error but what do you guys think i should do @danweikert21 Edited March 30, 2022 by 857lover 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,454 #2 Posted March 30, 2022 Bummer. If it is any solace, know that every one of the members here has done at least one "oops" like this (in fact, there was a recent thread where folks owned up to some of the most colorful ones). But that doesn't help you get your tractor fixed. Unless the axle itself or the trans casing is damaged, this is repairable. For parts you'll need the new bearing, the seal you already have, and a gasket for when you put the transmission back together. And of course a refill on the oil. I don't know the level of your mechanical skills and tooling, though. Have you ever taken an engine or transmission apart and put it back together? There are some threads here on rebuilding transmissions that are worth watching. Failing that, you'll have to have someone do it for you or with you. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,398 #3 Posted March 30, 2022 You gotta go inside that tranny. That axle bearing will not hold up in that condition. It's likely a good time to replace both sides and be done with it. That will set you up for another 50 years. These trannies are very simple, and lots of folks on here can help you out. I know a couple members have full take down and reassembly videos as well. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #4 Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, kpinnc said: You gotta go inside that tranny. That axle bearing will not hold up in that condition. It's likely a good time to replace both sides and be done with it. That will set you up for another 50 years. These trannies are very simple, and lots of folks on here can help you out. I know a couple members have full take down and reassembly videos as well. jeez where can i find a part number for the bearings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #5 Posted March 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Handy Don said: Bummer. If it is any solace, know that every one of the members here has done at least one "oops" like this (in fact, there was a recent thread where folks owned up to some of the most colorful ones). But that doesn't help you get your tractor fixed. Unless the axle itself or the trans casing is damaged, this is repairable. For parts you'll need the new bearing, the seal you already have, and a gasket for when you put the transmission back together. And of course a refill on the oil. I don't know the level of your mechanical skills and tooling, though. Have you ever taken an engine or transmission apart and put it back together? There are some threads here on rebuilding transmissions that are worth watching. Failing that, you'll have to have someone do it for you or with you. i mean i’ve done some engine work but never a transmission and where can i find a part number for my bearing and do i need a press to install them ?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,398 #6 Posted March 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, 857lover said: mean i’ve done some engine work but never a transmission and where can i find a part number for my bearing and do i need a press to install them ?? I know someone here will have part numbers. They are posted many times over the years. No, a press isn't required. It is helpful, but not absolutely necessary. You can GENTLY drive them in. I've used a socket and a light hammer. Just be careful. 3 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #7 Posted March 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, kpinnc said: I know someone here will have part numbers. They are posted many times over the years. No, a press isn't required. It is helpful, but not absolutely necessary. You can GENTLY drive them in. I've used a socket and a light hammer. Just be careful. yeah you see how carefully i was with those bearings lol 😆 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roadapples 6,983 #8 Posted March 30, 2022 Get a hold of Lowell at Wheel Horse Parts and More. In the vendors section. He has what you need.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,848 #9 Posted March 30, 2022 You can split that transmission and Possible just remove the differential without disturbing the other gears and shifter forks. But it really depends what it looks like when you get in there. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roadapples 6,983 #10 Posted March 30, 2022 Take plenty of pictures as you go... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,923 #11 Posted March 30, 2022 @stevasaurus and his tutorial videos may be of help… 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,751 #12 Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, 857lover said: jeez where can i find a part number for the bearings You can find all of your part numbers by down loading the manual for your tractor. Lowell offers complete or partial transmission kits. https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/base-kit-4-for-manual-transmission/ The /Toro part number for the axle bearring is 1526/9416. Checking this cross reference sheet the Koyo # is B-1816, Motion industries # is 00090569 The Jungle site has a listing for them. https://www.amazon.com/Koyo-B-1816-Bearing-Complement-Rotational/dp/B007EDV9P6 You could also take the Koyo #B-1816 to your local Napa & they should be able to order them for you. Like stated above, Check out @stevasaurus's tranny video's https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxpigBM-CFt3jm0aCxvxw Edited March 30, 2022 by Achto 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,866 #13 Posted March 30, 2022 Pinned post top of this transmission forum has all the bearing and seal numbers yo may need 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #14 Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Achto said: You can find all of your part numbers by down loading the manual for your tractor. Lowell offers complete or partial transmission kits. https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/base-kit-4-for-manual-transmission/ The /Toro part number for the axle bearring is 1526/9416. Checking this cross reference sheet the Koyo # is B-1816, Motion industries # is 00090569 The Jungle site has a listing for them. https://www.amazon.com/Koyo-B-1816-Bearing-Complement-Rotational/dp/B007EDV9P6 You could also take the Koyo #B-1816 to your local Napa & they should be able to order them for you. Like stated above, Check out @stevasaurus's tranny video's https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxpigBM-CFt3jm0aCxvxw that’s awsome thank you Edited March 30, 2022 by 857lover 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,454 #15 Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) You'll want to plan ahead for this job and give yourself the space and time to understand each step before starting. You'll need room to work, and it'll be a lot easier if you have a bench that can hold the transmission at a comfortable working height with the brake side up and the input pulley side down--some folks use a WorkMate and clamps. Be sure you have good lighting, protection for the inevitable drips and slashes of oil, and a way to keep your tools handy. You already know that the transmissions are heavy so be careful with that too! When you encounter something you don't understand or is confusing (and you will), come back here and ask (bringing pictures, right? ). Someone will know how to get you over the hurdle. EVERYONE HERE was a rookie at this at one time and many of use can still remember it. Edited March 30, 2022 by Handy Don 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,861 #16 Posted March 30, 2022 Assuming you have the #5060 10 pinion Limited Slip transmission in your 1267, this is the thread with videos for that transmission. The gasket for the trans is WH #3912. The gasket is the same number for your 857 horse transmission. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,082 #17 Posted March 30, 2022 if it is a limited slip, would it be worth replacing the limited slip springs while he is in there? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,454 #18 Posted March 30, 2022 I agree that if anything inside hints at excessive wear or damage, then opening the differential to replace the friction ring is probably a good idea, especially since those are again available. Before that, though, I'd carefully check the axle bearing on the other side. But if the only issue was a leaking seal, I would not go looking for trouble. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,861 #19 Posted March 30, 2022 Depends on what it looks like, but I think I would replace it if I was in there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,290 #20 Posted March 30, 2022 Gosh, bad axle bearings, Have had my good share of them. Makes sure nothing of the bearing is still in the tranny, good practice is to open the diff, just to make sure it's empty. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #21 Posted March 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Handy Don said: I agree that if anything inside hints at excessive wear or damage, then opening the differential to replace the friction ring is probably a good idea, especially since those are again available. Before that, though, I'd carefully check the axle bearing on the other side. But if the only issue was a leaking seal, I would not go looking for trouble. so you think i should only do one side?? also if i could i’d love to re do the limited slip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #22 Posted March 30, 2022 3 hours ago, stevasaurus said: Depends on what it looks like, but I think I would replace it if I was in there. replace what the limited slip spring? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,079 #23 Posted March 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, 857lover said: replace what the limited slip speings? Think he was referring to the other bearing but for $25 or so it's certainly not a bad idea to put a new spring in there as well for the LS. You're in there anyway so just take care of it then is my opinion. It's one spring that's like a circle that goes inside the differential and it springs the pinion gears. Once you open the trans you can find it and it should make sense to you after you see it 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #24 Posted March 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, wallfish said: Think he was referring to the other bearing but for $25 or so it's certainly not a bad idea to put a new spring in there as well for the LS. You're in there anyway so just take care of it then is my opinion. It's one spring that's like a circle that goes inside the differential and it springs the pinion gears. Once you open the trans you can find it and it should make sense to you after you see it yeah i have both axel bearings and the axel seals and the transmission gasket but i don't know about that spring i will have to look in my owners manual to see if i can find a aprt number for this sprring so i can order it from wheel horse parts and more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,079 #25 Posted March 30, 2022 No need to search Click this https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/7235-spring/ 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
