k301 on a short frame 857

[WHX?? 48,833]

7 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

the shorter pan has the little oil dipper "trough" cast into it.

Horse spec motors do not have the trough. Maybe some shaker plate horses used them?   Other brands used the trough pans. Cub and I think Case. 

 

11 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

Does it fit between the frame rails?

it does if you notch the frame rail. 

[JoeM 7,874]

6 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Other brands used the trough pans

Yes, I have a aluminium trough pan from a cub. Puller guys like them to cut engine weight. 

[WHX?? 48,833]

I thought pullers liked weight up front Joe? 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

I call it engine oil…

[ebinmaine 67,671]

45 minutes ago, JoeM said:

Dag gon it EB I had to do it.

Hehehehe. You're welcome.   

 

 

[JoeM 7,874]

31 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

I thought pullers liked weight up front

Yes they do, but where they want it!  An old friend of mine was big into it. Cub guy. I ask about giving it a try and he told me "your to honest!"

[857lover 291]

On 3/17/2022 at 1:18 PM, Pullstart said:

I believe then you’d have essentially a 1057, which was a thing.  That said, it should fit just fine 

 

*edit K301=12 hp.  1257.

yeah and it has a six speed in it so 1267…😂

Edited March 20, 2022 by 857lover

[Pullstart 62,917]

3 hours ago, WHX?? said:

Horse spec motors do not have the trough. Maybe some shaker plate horses used them?   Other brands used the trough pans. Cub and I think Case. 

 

it does if you notch the frame rail. 

I put a shaker plate engine on “Frank” and my notch turned into making the steering shaft look like Forrest Gump’s spine.  It’s doable for sure, but not for one without fab tools.

 

@danweikert21 and @857lover… If either of you has the space, parent’s place, grandparents’… etc… I would highly suggest you young men save up and go in together and grab a welder set, grinders and some safety gear and learn yourselves how to fab.  These tractors are great learning tools for you… but first grab some car hoods, or doors, or scraps and get the hang of burning two pieces of steel together WELL.  It may get you further down the road than many other basic skills in life!  I did say safety gear.  All the people on the shows that simply close their eyes and burn stuff together… we’ll they haven’t told you about their experience in the ER and a doctor flat out calling them an idiot for welding without safety stuff.  Well, I’m no doctor so that puts me on the other end of that blunt conversation in my teens.

 

More than anything, you have support here from many walks of life and quite a few will give you tips for success… you just gotta read between some lines and HAVE FUN!

[857lover 291]

12 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

I put a shaker plate engine on “Frank” and my notch turned into making the steering shaft look like Forrest Gump’s spine.  It’s doable for sure, but not for one without fab tools.

 

@danweikert21 and @857lover… If either of you has the space, parent’s place, grandparents’… etc… I would highly suggest you young men save up and go in together and grab a welder set, grinders and some safety gear and learn yourselves how to fab.  These tractors are great learning tools for you… but first grab some car hoods, or doors, or scraps and get the hang of burning two pieces of steel together WELL.  It may get you further down the road than many other basic skills in life!  I did say safety gear.  All the people on the shows that simply close their eyes and burn stuff together… we’ll they haven’t told you about their experience in the ER and a doctor flat out calling them an idiot for welding without safety stuff.  Well, I’m no doctor so that puts me on the other end of that blunt conversation in my teens.

 

More than anything, you have support here from many walks of life and quite a few will give you tips for success… you just gotta read between some lines and HAVE FUN!

dude you guys are hilarious i don’t know what i’d do without all you XD

[pfrederi 17,741]

15 hours ago, WHX?? said:

Horse spec motors do not have the trough. Maybe some shaker plate horses used them?   Other brands used the trough pans. Cub and I think Case. 

 

it does if you notch the frame rail. 

  Shaker plate motors used the trough pan.

The engine used on Big block short frame 1075 etc were just flat shallow pans

 

You can directly mount a trough pan on a long frame for sure (and probably a short frame as well).  No cutting needed. You do have to put in spacers to get the crankshaft to match the height of a big base full oil pan motor. It does not interfer witht eh steering shaft. If you use a trough oil pan you do not need to shorten the dipper.

 

 

[Pullstart 62,917]

 

Different story though if you’re using a round hood…

 

Here’s my frame notch and steering shaft modification to clear the pan mounted directly to the frame.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Pullstart

[pfrederi 17,741]

1 hour ago, Pullstart said:

 

Different story though if you’re using a round hood…

 

Here’s my frame notch and steering shaft modification to clear the pan mounted directly to the frame.

 

 

 

Curious why did you decide to bolt directly to the frame? 

 

Edit;  Did it cause alignment issues with belt guard as the crank is in a different position??

Edited March 20, 2022 by pfrederi

[Pullstart 62,917]

1 hour ago, pfrederi said:

 

 

Curious why did you decide to bolt directly to the frame? 

 

Edit;  Did it cause alignment issues with belt guard as the crank is in a different position??

All real estate was prime real estate on that build.. I had to keep the engine as low as possible.  The belt guard was a bit customized, like the rest of the tractor too.