danweikert21 166 #1 Posted March 9, 2022 Hey fellow Wheel Horse enthusiast. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any repair shops in pa that specialize in wheel horses. I live in Lancaster. I've been dealing with transmission problems for years and never fixed it right and at this point I just want to take it to the shop I think I'm dealing with lots of belt slippage, and I can't seem to shift without grinding gears. I also want to lock my transmission as well. I myself work at a mower repair shop but i want to take it somewhere where they know wheel horses and have parts. I am also trying to brainstorm a way to lock my trans and still being able to lock it from the outside. Also, if anyone would be able to point me in the right direction for wheel horse transmission manuals and parts break down that would be great also i know there is a wheel horse show in pa is there a website or how would I get info on that i would like to go. My transmission is has 1 reverse and 3 forward and a high and low its on a raider 10 model 16041. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveoman1966 3,768 #2 Posted March 9, 2022 This is the Toro MPV. Your trans schematic is listed here... https://lookup3.toro.com/partdex/index.cfm?xCaller=Toro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danweikert21 166 #3 Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, daveoman1966 said: This is the Toro MPV. Your trans schematic is listed here... https://lookup3.toro.com/partdex/index.cfm?xCaller=Toro thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 39,736 #4 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, danweikert21 said: without grinding gears Grinding when shifting is not a transmission problem. The tractor wheels and the drive belt and transmission input pulley can not be moving when shifting gears. If it is grinding, something is moving, most likely the drive belt. and you are causing damage to the gears. Several things help to stop the belt from moving when the clutch is depressed. 1. the belt guard must be properly in place as it supports the lower loop of the belt preventing it from contacting the engine drive pulley. 2. the idler/ tensioning pulley and the belt tab must be installer properly so the tab pinches and stops the belt when the clutch is depressed. 3. some engines have wire belt guards at the engine drive pulley that help to stop the belt movement 4. a sheared roll pin that fixes the clutch cross shaft to the clutch rod lever may be sheared preventing the clutch pedal from properly operating the tensioner pulley Locking a transmission is not recommended for normal use. Your Raider 10 probably has a limited slip differntial Edited March 9, 2022 by Ed Kennell 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,193 #5 Posted March 9, 2022 The belt thing isn't necessarily proprietary to Wheel Horse. Any GOOD repair shop should be able to properly fit a belt whether it's on a WH tractor or anything else. The key to clutching/stop grinding is to allow the belt to slip around the engine pulley when the pedal is pushed which creates slack in the belt. That slip around the engine pulley allows the trans pulley to stop turning. The trans pulley needs to stop turning so it doesn't grind the gears when shifting. Typically the belt guard is enough to support the belt to allow it to slip when clutching but there are other ways to achieve that as well. Do you have the belt guard installed? Maybe post a pic of the belt without the belt guard on so we can see what's going on. You should be able to fix the belt thing yourself. If you work at a mower repair shop I'm not sure why someone can't help you get that straightened out. Is it just fixing push mowers or something? As far as locking unlocking the trans, it's going to be one or the other. Unless you're using the tractor for a pulling competition there usually isn't any advantage to locking it but there are disadvantages like trying to steer it as it will want to go straight all the time. Added weight will help for enough traction IMO. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #6 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) Willing to bet there are no shops anymore that specialize in horses anymore unless you got real lucky and found a old timer who still operates. Even the shops that do Toro are prolly give you the deer in the headlight look when you tell them it's a 1970. Rarer yet might be the ones that have parts so your best bet for parts is right here. Your gear grinding is most likely being cause by not stopping the drive belt so that means clutch or belt guard issues or wrong size belt. In locking the transmission good luck there unless you take it apart and weld it up like pullers do. Guess I don't understand why you would want to do it when you should have a 5071 tranny with limited slip. Ed & John are faster typers but info on what we call the Big Show or BS is here. https://wheelhorseclub.com/ Looks like it's not been updated for 2022 yet but show dates are always the weekend after father's day. South Mountain Fairgrounds, Biglerville PA Edited March 9, 2022 by WHX?? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 39,736 #7 Posted March 9, 2022 Wow, three guys all say the same thing three different ways Don't lock the tranny. Transmissions don't grind if nothing is moving. A moving belt causes the grinding. Fix the belt stopping system. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,539 #8 Posted March 9, 2022 Is there a certain reason you’re looking to lock it? With enough weight and a good set of tires or chains, you should be able to go about anywhere and push or pull anything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #9 Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said: yep i was thinking the same thing as im reading all these responses hes just looking to lock the diff for greater pulling capabilities, also dosnr the limited slip have like clutch packs that wear out over time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danweikert21 166 #10 Posted March 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, wallfish said: The belt thing isn't necessarily proprietary to Wheel Horse. Any GOOD repair shop should be able to properly fit a belt whether it's on a WH tractor or anything else. The key to clutching/stop grinding is to allow the belt to slip around the engine pulley when the pedal is pushed which creates slack in the belt. That slip around the engine pulley allows the trans pulley to stop turning. The trans pulley needs to stop turning so it doesn't grind the gears when shifting. Typically the belt guard is enough to support the belt to allow it to slip when clutching but there are other ways to achieve that as well. Do you have the belt guard installed? Maybe post a pic of the belt without the belt guard on so we can see what's going on. You should be able to fix the belt thing yourself. If you work at a mower repair shop I'm not sure why someone can't help you get that straightened out. Is it just fixing push mowers or something? As far as locking unlocking the trans, it's going to be one or the other. Unless you're using the tractor for a pulling competition there usually isn't any advantage to locking it but there are disadvantages like trying to steer it as it will want to go straight all the time. Added weight will help for enough traction IMO. thanks yeah i appreatie that i would fix it at my shop but we are really full and busy right now ill post a pic of the belt later today 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danweikert21 166 #11 Posted March 9, 2022 how would i find out what my trans is is there a model number or somthing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #12 Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pullstart said: Is there a certain reason you’re looking to lock it? With enough weight and a good set of tires or chains, you should be able to go about anywhere and push or pull anything. yea strange huh he has rear wheel weights adn front weights and he has carlisle superlug (AG tires) in the rear he is just looking to pull my tractor that is a a smaller 857 wheel horse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #13 Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, danweikert21 said: how would i find out what my trans is is there a model number or somthing 19 minutes ago, WHX?? said: In locking the transmission good luck there unless you take it apart and weld it up like pullers do. Guess I don't understand why you would want to do it when you should have a 5071 tranny with limited slip. Read the reponses to your posts.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,539 #14 Posted March 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, 857lover said: also dosnr the limited slip have like clutch packs that wear out over time? it is a spring/ring inside the differential that binds the pinions from spinning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,539 #15 Posted March 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, 857lover said: yea strange huh he has rear wheel weights adn front weights and he has carlisle superlug (AG tires) in the rear he is just looking to pull my tractor that is a a smaller 857 wheel horse oh right. Fluid filling tires and more weight helps gain traction even more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #16 Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pullstart said: it is a spring/ring inside the differential that binds the pinions from spinning. Part # 42 in the manual I provided. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,193 #17 Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, 857lover said: yea strange huh he has rear wheel weights adn front weights and he has carlisle superlug (AG tires) in the rear he is just looking to pull my tractor that is a a smaller 857 wheel horse Ah HA! We're contributing to the delinquency of these 2 by helping them out. LoL 3 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Part # 42 in the manual I provided. Does Lowell sell replacement diff springs for those? Thought he might have had some made but IDK 1 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #18 Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, wallfish said: Ah HA! We're contributing to the delinquency of these 2 by helping them out. LoL Does Lowell sell replacement diff springs for those? Thought he might have had some made but IDK so there should be no raeson the limited slip should not be functioning properly unless somehow a spring has broken or somthing ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 13,085 #19 Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, 857lover said: so there should be no raeson the limited slip should not be functioning properly unless somehow a spring has broken or somthing ? They do wear out, too. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #20 Posted March 9, 2022 The full repair manual below. wheelhorse_6-8mechtransman.pdf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
857lover 291 #21 Posted March 9, 2022 see i thought it would wear out and i doubt it would have ever been replaced in the tractors life so it definitly isn't woking to the best of its abliities Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #22 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, wallfish said: Does Lowell sell replacement diff springs for those Yes he does 'Fish. https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/7235-spring/ 14 minutes ago, wallfish said: Ah HA! We're contributing to the delinquency of these 2 by helping them out. LoL Weellll we contributed to your delinquency ....or did you contribute to mine?!?!? Edited March 9, 2022 by WHX?? 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,193 #23 Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Weellll we contributed to your delinquency ....or did you contribute to mine?!?!? Maybe we'll never know, but we're to old to know any better anyway. 2 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 56,754 #24 Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Pullstart said: Is there a certain reason you’re looking to lock it? With enough weight and a good set of tires or chains, you should be able to go about anywhere and push or pull anything. With enough weight and a good set of tires or chains, you should be able to go about anywhere and push or pull anything. Not quite anywhere. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,923 #25 Posted March 10, 2022 Now who's contributing to delinquency Richard you or the Pullhosen? That's alright boys will be boys no matter what the age right @ebinmaine ? 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
