ebinmaine 67,484 #126 Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: Yeah man ... YOU tell BBT that. I don't care if she calls our new building "my this" or "my that". I. Izz. Not. Arguing. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #127 Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, kwalshy said: Yep! A little bit of both! I say that now....I have 3 girls, so I'm sure my dream of a man cave will be short lived between my wife & my girls! Oh Balls last man standing! 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #128 Posted May 23, 2022 Got the appraisal back today in consideration of our own barn project. Seems like we're still moving forward .... 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #129 Posted June 11, 2022 @kwalshy and everyone else... The BBT and I signed on our loan today. Looks like we're building a barn!!! 4 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,557 #130 Posted June 11, 2022 14 hours ago, ebinmaine said: …”we're” building… That’s a good one…!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #131 Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: That’s a good one…!!! Ok yeah that's a valid point. BBT is building ? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #132 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 10:07 PM, ebinmaine said: @kwalshy and everyone else... The BBT and I signed on our loan today. Looks like we're building a barn!!! Congratulations! Let the fun begin! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #133 Posted June 14, 2022 I just finished clearing out the scrub oak, what a PITA that stuff is. However, I did get plenty of seat time on the Kubota clearing the build site. The pad is now in with 10 loads of compacted modified. I had enough material placed for a perimeter all around the building of at least 5 feet, and enough modified in for a future concrete apron in front of the garage. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #134 Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, kwalshy said: compacted modified Just out of curiosity, what exactly is this substance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #135 Posted June 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Just out of curiosity, what exactly is this substance? It's also known as 2A Modified. Where I live the quarries are plentiful with limestone and this is what they make their 'modified' with - crushed stone & obviously some stone dust that comes with the process of crushing the limestone. 2A stone is typically no larger than 1.5"-2" in size. Modified compacts very well for a solid subbase. I installed this b/c at one point I'd like to pour a concrete floor in the pole barn. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cschannuth 3,816 #136 Posted June 15, 2022 @ebinmaine in Missouri that would be called minus. You can either get clean rock or minus which still has the dirty fines from the crushing process. Clean rock works great if drainage is needed. 1 inch minus is used here a lot for use under concrete. As stated above, when compacted, it provides a very solid surface. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #137 Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, cschannuth said: @ebinmaine in Missouri that would be called minus. You can either get clean rock or minus which still has the dirty fines from the crushing process. Clean rock works great if drainage is needed. 1 inch minus is used here a lot for use under concrete. As stated above, when compacted, it provides a very solid surface. You guys got me curious now. I think up around these parts we call that stone dust and then designate the size... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,002 #138 Posted June 15, 2022 Minus, modified. Is that the same a crusher run rock? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #139 Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, 8ntruck said: Minus, modified. Is that the same a crusher run rock? Crush run typically has a stone size no larger than 3/4" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #140 Posted June 22, 2022 Has anybody here installed a hydronic in slab heating system with PEX in their pole barn? I'm thinking of installing this myself. I'm capable of doing the install myself, but looking for any feedback or experiences from folks here on these radiant heating systems. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #141 Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, kwalshy said: Has anybody here installed a hydronic in slab heating system with PEX in their pole barn? I'm thinking of installing this myself. I'm capable of doing the install myself, but looking for any feedback or experiences from folks here on these radiant heating systems. Thanks! I can't say that I've installed a system in a garage, but I know a bit about them... I think that the biggest drawback is that there is 'thermal lag' time. Don't expect to turn it on and then have a warm workspace quickly. It takes a significant amount of time to heat the mass of concrete. It could take hours to begin to feel any heat. But perhaps you are planning to keep the space heated 24/7 ? In that case, no problem. You'll need to limit the water temperature to the slab. If you've got hot water baseboards or radiators in the home, they typically run as high as 180F. You probably don't want more than 135F going to the floor. So you'll need a mixing valve and a separate pump for the floor, and what is called "primary / secondary" piping. This type of setup also protects your BOILER, because you will have flue gas condensation issues if you dump the cold return water from the floor into the boiler return for extended periods of time. Flue gas condensate is highly acidic and will rust and corrode a boiler to demise in pretty short order. AND... if you do NOT plan to keep it heated full time, you will need to run ANTI-FREEZE in the system. INSULATION under and around the perimeter of the slab is absolutely imperative. If you don't insulate the slab, you'll spend lots of money heating the ground under and around the slab. I grew up in one of the first subdivisions to have the homes built with radiant heating in the slab. This was in the 50s. (No, not Levittown, but close) They didn't know how to do it yet... they used black pipe in the slab. They didn't limit the water temps or take any measures to protect the boiler from flue gas condensation. Most of the boilers (cast iron) only lasted ten years or less before they rotted out from the inside. Some floors were so hot they almost burned your feet. Some rooms were always cold. There was a manifold that allowed adjustment to each room, but it didn't really work. When it snowed, there was never any snow on the ground about 2' from the foundation. Melted as soon as it hit the ground. No slab insulation. By the 70s, all of those homes had been retrofitted with forced hot air, or hot water baseboard systems because the piping in the floor rusted out and leaked and it was a HUGE JOB and EXPENSE to jackhammer the slab to expose and repair the piping. If it's done RIGHT, it's great... as long as you understand the drawbacks (mostly thermal lag) and an absolute DISASTER if it's done WRONG. In a garage that's not going to be heated full time you would do much better to install a "Unit Heater" instead. And use some mats on the floor to keep your feet warmer. Edited June 22, 2022 by Jeff-C175 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #142 Posted July 19, 2022 The framing started yesterday. The crew accomplished a lot. I found one post in the front that was out of plumb, but they brought it back in so the garage door will be square. If anyone sees anything not right with the framing, please let me know! Thanks! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjg854 11,361 #143 Posted July 19, 2022 Looks good to me, the only question I have is why those truss blocks hang so far below the top plates. We would usually leave them either flush or just above the bottom of the plates. I don't know if you plan on insulating, or how, but that would be a lot to go around. That's my 2 cents. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #144 Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, rjg854 said: Looks good to me, the only question I have is why those truss blocks hang so far below the top plates. We would usually leave them either flush or just above the bottom of the plates. I don't know if you plan on insulating, or how, but that would be a lot to go around. That's my 2 cents. Thank you for that comment. I didn't think about the extra work that would be for me when I insulate. All those blocks would be annoying to deal with! So thanks to your comment, I spoke with builder & there will be another header going up & attached to the posts & truss blocks. Edited July 19, 2022 by kwalshy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #145 Posted July 20, 2022 More progress pics. All trusses went up yesterday. You can see the double trusses at the end with a 4ft space to next truss, this is for my access to attic, all other trusses are 2ft OC. I will build attic stairs and install a floor in the future. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,217 #146 Posted July 20, 2022 3 hours ago, kwalshy said: More progress pics. All trusses went up yesterday. You can see the double trusses at the end with a 4ft space to next truss, this is for my access to attic, all other trusses are 2ft OC. I will build attic stairs and install a floor in the future. Looking good. As a Boy Scout in the 60's I spent lots of great time at Camp Achahela in Blakeslee! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #147 Posted July 20, 2022 5 hours ago, kwalshy said: I will build attic stairs Don't forget the elevator! 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #148 Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said: Don't forget the elevator! I've always been a fan of dumb waiters! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #149 Posted July 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, kwalshy said: I've always been a fan of dumb waiters! What about smart ones? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,484 #150 Posted July 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, kwalshy said: I've always been a fan of dumb waiters! You putting in some kind of lift to the upstairs that goes in through a window or something? Like a hayloft lift or whatever? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
