ebinmaine 67,592 #101 Posted March 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Prolly is stiffer there. Here they only bother with single or multi family dwellings and of course commercial. Your building a garage all that's needed is a building permit so they can jack yer taxes They weren't even inspecting codes during covids... Just send them pics and they blessed yer project. In other words Plunge all you woulda had to to is send them a pic of your pressure gauge on a DWV job they woulda never even known what job it was. What's worst is now that covids is over and they can get out for a site visit inspectors they got lazy and still just do pics. Being in the building industry everyday like I am and also having a friend who's an inspector I can agree with what you're saying. Things were pretty LAX for a while and for now, they say they're going to stiffen up but they don't actually do it. Trina and I have two wood stoves in use and two wood stoves in storage. I'd like to put the other two in when we build whatever it is that's going to go up. Can't. First of all having a wood stove or any other solid fuel as is noted above is strictly forbidden in a garage type environment. But I've spoken to my insurance rep and also the actual State Fire Marshal here in Maine. It was indicated to me that the law is there but not necessarily enforced. It's actually the insurance underwriters that forbid the use in a detached building. ANY heater that makes any kind of an open flame such as oil, propane or whatever is not allowed in a detached --non-livable-- structure by the insurance companies here for the most part. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,235 #102 Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: ANY heater that makes any kind of an open flame such as oil, propane or whatever is not allowed in a detached --non-livable-- structure by the insurance companies here for the most part. This makes sense to me. In my college business law course, the lawyer/instructor make clear that the law you pay attention to is not what's on the books but what's enforced. In my area it isn't a building inspector that checks your electrical work, its a fire insurance underwriters association rep (for a fee of course)! Edited March 15, 2022 by Handy Don 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCM 9,177 #103 Posted March 15, 2022 Pretty sure our Insurance Co is well aware of the LP gas sealed combustion heater in our garage. FYI 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #104 Posted March 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, JCM said: sealed combustion That's the key 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCM 9,177 #105 Posted March 15, 2022 That is why I mentioned the Modine Hot - Dawg heater. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #106 Posted March 15, 2022 Sealed combustion units are not really needed but a little common sense is. Don't store all you leaky paint cans and other stuff that goes bang on the shelf next to. Proper venting per manufacturer. Proper gas piping methods means NO compression fittings but forged flare nuts on copper. Hangers go as high as possible and appropriate hangers ... no bailing wire here......see post 19. Gas fumes are heavier than air so no combustion source closer than 20 inches to floor. Of course that means when when you smell gas you investigate that puddle running to the floor drain & no greasy rags for shop carpeting. Sealled comb. is nice in a wood working garage but then when the dust flies all bets are off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #107 Posted March 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Sealed combustion units are not really needed but a little common sense is First of all let me just say that in general principle I agree with that statement 100%. Unfortunately, as we all joke about on occasion, common Sense is... no longer common... When I spoke to the Maine State Fire Marshal he said there is no specific law prohibiting any other type of heating system except solid fuel burners such as wood coal or pellet stoves... But... A good many and an increasing number of insurance companies here in Maine are not allowing any type of heating system that has any access whatsoever to an open flame because people don't display appropriate volumes of common sense. Any type of oil burner or propane burner that pulls air from the space that the combustible or flammable fluids or vapors are in is prohibited. Again, not law. Insurance regs. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,209 #108 Posted March 15, 2022 4 hours ago, ebinmaine said: ANY heater that makes any kind of an open flame such as oil, propane or whatever is not allowed in a detached --non-livable-- Pretty easy to make it livable. 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #109 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) I've been studying all the different quotes I've been receiving. My initial list of 3 builders has now expanded to 5! I started to see some common themes on the quotes in regards to the painted steel roofing and siding, windows, doors, trusses, etc. So I first started to do some research on the steel roof & siding in the quotes. 3 of the 5 quotes use the same metal supplier: APM Buildings. They are the fabricators of Endura Metal, aka "Tuff Rib Panel", ABM Panel - G100 2 of the 5 use Everlast Roofing. So off to their websites I go to review their fabrication process, coating, painting & warranty data. Everlast Roofing offers a better warranty over APM. And to my surprise I see that APM Buildings has "Pole Buildings" on their website. So I click on it and check out the details. And guess what? The 3 of the 5 quotes appear to be kits directly from APM! So now I can request a quote from APM and find out just how much of a markup and labor I'm being quoted! https://apmbuildings.com/building-types/residential-garage#colorlib-intro Edited March 17, 2022 by kwalshy 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #110 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Interesting they are located in Arendtsville. I tell folks to get many quotes, take the high one and low one out and look for ones that are fairly close. Comparing apples to apples of course. I also told my customers to ask any and all questions before signing up. You ever go play with that design center link i posted in #15? Edited March 17, 2022 by WHX?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #111 Posted March 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, kwalshy said: Everlast Roofing Manufacturing facility is right here in Bridgton Maine. That's what I have on my own roof and that's what I recommend to every single person looking for metal roofing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #112 Posted March 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Interesting they are located in Arendtsville. I tell folks to get many quotes, take the high one and low one out and look for ones that are fairly close. Comparing apples to apples of course. I also told my customers to ask any and all questions before signing up. You ever go play with that design center link i posted in #15? I sure did play with that design link you sent me. It was very helpful to get alignment on the layout with the companies I contacted. I shared the layout with them and then communicated my specifications so everyone can be compared apples to apples. When I noticed some quotes came back without the details/specifications I asked for and looked almost identical, that's when I started to dig deeper. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #113 Posted March 17, 2022 I love to play with that design center....makes me appreciate what I can ...or can't afford! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #114 Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, kwalshy said: When I noticed some quotes came back without the details/specifications I asked for Drives me nuts when you ask somebody for questions and get the answer to one or two. 9 minutes ago, WHX?? said: I love to play with that design center....makes me appreciate what I can ...or can't afford! Jim can you either post or PM me that link? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #115 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Post 15 this thread EB. 1st page. Edited March 17, 2022 by WHX?? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #116 Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, WHX?? said: I love to play with that design center....makes me appreciate what I can ...or can't afford! Absolutely & 100% Agreed. I must have made 12 different designs. It also gives you an idea of what the materials cost are /could be. It can really help someone like myself control their budget & wish list. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #117 Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, kwalshy said: Absolutely & 100% Agreed. I must have made 12 different designs. It also gives you an idea of what the materials cost are /could be. It can really help someone like myself control their budget & wish list. I'm going to try to poke around on that the next day or three here. I'm super curious to see what you folks are paying out there compared to my quote here. @kwalshy I appreciate you brought this post up in the first place. Hope you don't mind me settin' on your coattails... Been some interesting stuff posted here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #118 Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: I'm going to try to poke around on that the next day or three here. I'm super curious to see what you folks are paying out there compared to my quote here. @kwalshy I appreciate you brought this post up in the first place. Hope you don't mind me settin' on your coattails... Been some interesting stuff posted here. Don't mind at all. The more educated we all are, the better outcome for our projects and wallets. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #119 Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, kwalshy said: better outcome for our projects and wallets Absolutely & 100% Agreed. Cool thing about it is it lets you play with designs & put doors & windows & such in different spots & play with different dimensions & layouts. Bad thing is it puts ideas in my head that shouldn't be there. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #120 Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) Well, I did it! I put the down payment on a 40x40x14 with attic trusses last week. The prices continued to increase month after month, so I decided I wasn't going to wait another year. I don't see material prices coming down all that much anytime soon. I started to clear the site for a pad with the orange tractor. Removal of the scrub oak is enjoyable b/c it's seat time on the orange tractor! I'll try to remember and start taking pictures along the way. Edited April 20, 2022 by kwalshy 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #121 Posted April 20, 2022 Trina and I are going through the process of getting financing. Looks good so far. If we can get the numbers to work we'll build one too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #122 Posted April 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, kwalshy said: attic trusses Bonus storage or man cave!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwalshy 229 #123 Posted April 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Bonus storage or man cave!! Yep! A little bit of both! I say that now....I have 3 girls, so I'm sure my dream of a man cave will be short lived between my wife & my girls! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,592 #124 Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, kwalshy said: Yep! A little bit of both! I say that now....I have 3 girls, so I'm sure my dream of a man cave will be short lived between my wife & my girls! Nope. Sorry my friend. That's a She-shed. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,598 #125 Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, ebinmaine said: That's a She-shed. At first, because @ebinmaine said it, I was thinking: But, then I saw @kwalshy has four bosses, so i think you’re gonna need a sign like this: 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
