Not running right

[RED-Z06 2,221]

3 minutes ago, TJ Salyers said:

Is where the screws are is that the part I want to take off?

Yep, remove the choke, remove the screws, whole top lifts off.

[TJ5208 1,824]

Just now, RED-Z06 said:

Yep, remove the choke, remove the screws, whole top lifts off.

And that's how I would get to these holes you're talking about?

[RED-Z06 2,221]

1 minute ago, TJ Salyers said:

And that's how I would get to these holes you're talking about?

That would give you access to the pilot jet, bowl, float, inlet needle and seat...all of it

[TJ5208 1,824]

Just now, RED-Z06 said:

That would give you access to the pilot jet, bowl, float, inlet needle and seat...all of it

Okay thanks my brother which is a mechanic thanks that the main jet is clogged up so will do it all this help.

[RED-Z06 2,221]

1 minute ago, TJ Salyers said:

Okay thanks my brother which is a mechanic thanks that the main jet is clogged up so will do it all this help.

Its likely all gummy...but it was running right?  Just with some choke?

[TJ5208 1,824]

Just now, RED-Z06 said:

Its likely all gummy...but it was running right?  Just with some choke?

Yeah it was running perfect and then now I have to run with half choke.

[Achto 27,601]

Great advise @RED-Z06 thanks for sharing the pics. 

 

@TJ Salyers to simplify things. Would you drink through a straw out of a cup that is filled with mud & sludge?? Your engine does not want to either. Think of your float bowl as the cup and your jets as the straw. Clean them out & your engine will be much happier.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Achto

[TJ5208 1,824]

Okay thanks guys I'll see what I can do tomorrow.

[Achto 27,601]

@TJ Salyers

 

I quick search found a video for you to watch. The engine is on a JD but it's a Onan engine just the same.

 

 

[TJ5208 1,824]

50 minutes ago, Achto said:

@TJ Salyers

 

I quick search found a video for you to watch. The engine is on a JD but it's a Onan engine just the same.

 

 

Thank you.

[WHX?? 48,828]

Saw this somewhere today....

 

psychic power on the blink

If things don’t work give me a little to go on, please. “Won’t run” doesn’t help.

[RED-Z06 2,221]

47 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Saw this somewhere today....

 

psychic power on the blink

If things don’t work give me a little to go on, please. “Won’t run” doesn’t help.

Used to piss me off to no end when a co-worker would sign in a piece of equipment and just say "wont run".

 

Wont crank: on turning the key nothing happens.

Wont start: cranks over but wont run on its own.

Wont Run right: cranks over, starts, runs incorrectly.

[ranger 1,750]

15 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said:

Used to piss me off to no end when a co-worker would sign in a piece of equipment and just say "wont run".

 

Wont crank: on turning the key nothing happens.

Wont start: cranks over but wont run on its own.

Wont Run right: cranks over, starts, runs incorrectly.

My ex boss worked as an engineer at a large mining site in, I think he said Gambia?. Anyway, one night they had a ‘Cat’ dozer driver call in request an engineer attend because the engine dipstick would not stay in? He said they asked all the relevant questions, ie “Is the engine smoking excessively, etc?” The operator apparently wouldn’t give a straight answer, just kept asking for them to attend. When they arrived, the reason was obvious, the dozer had run off the track and was now upside down! He used to delight in telling this story regularly! 

[Handy Don 12,235]

1 hour ago, ranger said:

My ex boss worked as an engineer at a large mining site in, I think he said Gambia?. Anyway, one night they had a ‘Cat’ dozer driver call in request an engineer attend because the engine dipstick would not stay in? He said they asked all the relevant questions, ie “Is the engine smoking excessively, etc?” The operator apparently wouldn’t give a straight answer, just kept asking for them to attend. When they arrived, the reason was obvious, the dozer had run off the track and was now upside down! He used to delight in telling this story regularly! 

Great story!

I'll bet they just righted it, got the dipstick back in, added some oil and put it right back to work!

Hard sometimes for we who understand mechanical things (more or less ) to fully get our head around how those who simply don't have any aptitude for it get by in the world. Recall that Cadillac was the first to introduce an electric starter for an automobile--there's money to be made making it (relatively) foolproof!

Edited February 17, 2022 by Handy Don

[kpinnc 12,087]

In the military, everything has an acronym. When I was in aviation maintenance, there was a push to simplify trouble reporting in aircraft logbooks. Acronyms were acceptable, and the shorter the entry, the better.

 

Army helicopters have tie down chains nowadays because a microburst once destroyed an entire battalion of helicopters in Texas in the late 90s. Because only certain parts of an aircraft are rugged enough for chains, some use different lengths depending on where they go. So four chains for the Apache have two that are longer in the back. I remember a new pilot listing a problem as "chains do not reach anchors" after a night flight that was signed off by mechanic as "stretching completed".

 

Over time such silliness devolved into reports like "ORT INOP" signed off as "RPR CMPLT". Of course these became hilarious over time, because you often had no idea what was wrong- or what was actally fixed. Not a good thing with $30 million aircraft...

 

Typical guvment work I guess. 

[Handy Don 12,235]

2 hours ago, kpinnc said:

Over time such silliness devolved into reports like "ORT INOP" signed off as "RPR CMPLT". Of course these became hilarious over time, because you often had no idea what was wrong- or what was actally fixed. Not a good thing with $30 million aircraft...

A former fighter jet avionics crew chief, and later my boss, introduced me to the "brogan adjustment" he'd sometimes employed in the AF. He took off his shoe and whacked the side of one of our servers thinking it might restart correctly.

[kpinnc 12,087]

1 minute ago, Handy Don said:

A former fighter jet avionics crew chief, and later my boss, introduced me to the "brogan adjustment" he'd sometimes employed in the AF. He took off his shoe and whacked the side of one of our servers thinking it might restart correctly.

 

We'd refer to that as a HEFRR.

Heel Actuated Full Rapid Reset.

[Achto 27,601]

2 hours ago, kpinnc said:

Army helicopters

 

I have friend that was a helicopter mechanic, working on Chinook's. This was his advise to me. " If you get on an Army helicopter and it is not leaking hydraulic fluid, GET OFF because this means that it is out of fluid" . 

[kpinnc 12,087]

20 minutes ago, Achto said:

have friend that was a helicopter mechanic, working on Chinook's. This was his advise to me. " If you get on an Army helicopter and it is not leaking hydraulic fluid, GET OFF because this means that it is out of fluid" .

 

And there goes the thread! You just triggered my old fart army story gene. This is a true story, and was reenacted as often as possible.

 

There was a group of ROTC cadets who got thier first ride in a helicopter. It was a Chinook.

 

At about 3000 feet, the crew chief had an idea. It based on established military doctrine that mandates properly scaring the absolute crap out of new recruits. Double for those who you may have to salute later in your career.

 

He and the pilots have ICS, so they can speak privately, whereas the passengers hear nothing though their hearing protection.

 

So at 150 knots and 3000 feet, the pilot drops the collective and 50,000 pounds of helicopter is instantly converted to greased refrigerator that falls at 4000 feet per minute.

 

The crew chief jumps up and runs over to a 50 gallon drum strapped in the hold with a hand pump in it. The Chinnok leaks so bad that this was what "military intelligence" folks came up with for long endurance flights. The crew chief pumps the handle as fast as he can while the pilot begins to level the aircraft out and begin to climb back to altitude.

 

After a couple more times of this little show, with not one cadet being able to hear what's happening, but all of them either vomited or wet thier pants or both- the pilot drops the collective again. 

 

The crew chief dutifully jumps up and starts to the pump, then stops and gestures something akin to "oh, screw it", and returns to his seat.

 

I wish we had video of 30 college kids fighting over who got to pump that handle, because ALL of them ran torwards it while the crew chief and pilots laughed themselves out of breath.

 

If you ever fly on one, make sure the crew thinks you've done it before. The ride will be much less frightening!

Edited February 18, 2022 by kpinnc

[Achto 27,601]

@kpinnc my sides are hurting. 

[RED-Z06 2,221]

When my dad was in the Navy (69-73) he was stationed at a Chopper Training field as an Avionics specialist and one of his tasks was to inspect and sign out repaired aircraft, going over a very lengthy checklist, making sure every nut was torqued and wired...etc.

 

His CO comes in with some Navy buddies and wants to take them on a scenic training mission around the county...but, all the in-service choppers were signed out, nothing on the flight line but 2 choppers that just got repaired and were waiting on inspection.  Dad wouldn't sign one out..obviously, CO demanded it..dad wouldn't...CO grabbed the clip board, signed his name, told my dad "when i get back you're going in the brig for insubordination and im busting you down".  3 people witnessed this.  CO checked the fuel, untied the blades, quick pre-flight and took off. 

 

Dad ran across to the tower and told the person in charge the chopper was not cleared...but they were already gone.

 

It made it about 8 miles, they heard the mayday call in the tower, noise and vibration then it went down.  Investigation showed the Jesus nut had not been wired and it backed off..whole main rotor came off. Dad was put on trial but the witnesses and evidence cleared him thankfully.

[RED-Z06 2,221]

Dang my story was kind of a bummer🙁

[kpinnc 12,087]

13 minutes ago, RED-Z06 said:

Dang my story was kind of a bummer🙁

 

Nope. That's the stuff that safety breifings are made from. Such things happening were what we referred to as "natural selection", where all the stupid ones get killed.

 

Your dad- he did his job. While the loss of life is sad always, he can be proud for standing his ground with honor. Had he acted any way otherwise, he would have been blamed. The way officers are coddled and protected in the military is mind boggling. Rank doesn't make you right, and I say that as a former officer myself.

[RED-Z06 2,221]

I live in a Navy Town...in 36 years I've never met a Master Chief or higher that has ever been wrong...not even once.  My Uncle was a MC...he could stand there, completely wrong, staring at solid evidence he was wrong, and flip it so thats what he was saying all along...

[TJ5208 1,824]

Okay guys just to get a little bit back on topic here I think I may have found my problem I think the tractor was too much on the incline it was too low on fuel I'm not positive on that yet that's why I'm getting ready to try now with some blocks so I'm just going to see what kind of incline and see if it was actually getting fuel because the fuel filter is empty so I feel on it just didn't have enough fuel in it so that's what I'm going to try wish me luck