Winter fun - Project “Freedom” 440cc 2 Stroke 1054 Snowmotractor

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Call me crazy... I think it applies... yes...

 

Perhaps, you could weld a bigger pulley to the back plate, and reinstall the clutch system... by welding a pulley to the back plate, then reinstalling the clutch front plate system...? If you think I am nuts, please disregard...

 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

2 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

What’s the smallest diameter a 5/8” belt can bend?  

My opinion... 3...

 

But that's just opinion. You could technically make it do... whatever you want...

 

You just have to add an idler pulley. No biggie...

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

4 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

any links on such a pulley?

Somefin like this:

 

https://www.vmcchineseparts.com/products/20-series-7-driven-pully-5-8-bore-torque-converter-go-karts-mini-bikes

 

Don

[wallfish 16,981]

4 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

any links on such a pulley?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283982813745?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item421eb1da31:g:oEoAAOSw~sdhJbc8&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACsPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2DHy9L0k%2BWLnT8gZ7VX4S8O%2B1NLKqscFx1tp%2BGmB0rc5MK%2FyZ4ks4W7zi3NPbbmKAwLYTfW1Lh7IPOXcmTvvkdOuDUkU4E7Yja0Gip%2FBbjhfbm3HfzEl8egCpuyMuhH1vznxF%2FxPlgrKF35neQKlhrBCgdmwN0UwFVweA94WLFoZNCkMyr5u5Iqptcr8wYPw26TjKcMymW%2BULCV1iU4I9Yuzdie8KSkYkTsZc9BEIQFNiwkit8EOk6KMzPaynw241t%2FwlBD7FTz9M5ATGN2yD8NK%2FT0upSpMOOra6vLVvbPDB4wK7G0zno6yNAy7lLKxlRK7%2BJbxYeSuxaXsGhMUC4csl4U%2BugVe70svs2fQ8nO%2Ff0s1MsVx5aigSJ10Orud6ElpV%2FuPpESTj8iWuPmNt%2FIH8UC4%2BVPcdLrn5bHqH9BqUFOr3gIAVtysfWhgy8SDFTQ9JGf3fQl%2F%2B26gN21lG4B4J2f1uhqtL2mZ3b7hiRWjDJ%2FRtIk628JiAEDnHdz1iJsfe15qipunqgOwqLXLtHMb8DXogZy3Kh1u9UVUD9lzajXIQHgNh9hI%2Fy7iTtiBqf%2FLdqhdWCLIbqdxeWygub8fZPIf5GIQwvmqOBzs%2FV76sZ9zV3ok%2FGxf4h5%2FdCWEyymxTHqJis6EgBqjIk%2Bvls9zwj56XNPhXrcyopZsRlhxRbdXo8jcYsPvzooCP2qYjqE1NhBXm5wsrIKUz9wIcS1yw2wJ%2FE2rqTfH7UArl8Ewe7E6GBXXpmedlv1uWAb6YFHAjXMKoCsFGJF5j9oFE8iaU%2Fkg2%2Bj92HSwWpf5cGZdDu9mYjj7lwqhrYUQFf8m9eNAOzwdbU9wRWNeoCWtP00%3D|clp%3A2334524|tkp%3ABFBM9NSq4Nxf

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Just now, Snoopy11 said:

Somefin like this:

 

https://www.vmcchineseparts.com/products/20-series-7-driven-pully-5-8-bore-torque-converter-go-karts-mini-bikes

 

But with that kind of power... you are just going to blow it out... over... and over... and over...

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

1 minute ago, wallfish said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283982813745?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item421eb1da31:g:oEoAAOSw~sdhJbc8&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACsPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2DHy9L0k%2BWLnT8gZ7VX4S8O%2B1NLKqscFx1tp%2BGmB0rc5MK%2FyZ4ks4W7zi3NPbbmKAwLYTfW1Lh7IPOXcmTvvkdOuDUkU4E7Yja0Gip%2FBbjhfbm3HfzEl8egCpuyMuhH1vznxF%2FxPlgrKF35neQKlhrBCgdmwN0UwFVweA94WLFoZNCkMyr5u5Iqptcr8wYPw26TjKcMymW%2BULCV1iU4I9Yuzdie8KSkYkTsZc9BEIQFNiwkit8EOk6KMzPaynw241t%2FwlBD7FTz9M5ATGN2yD8NK%2FT0upSpMOOra6vLVvbPDB4wK7G0zno6yNAy7lLKxlRK7%2BJbxYeSuxaXsGhMUC4csl4U%2BugVe70svs2fQ8nO%2Ff0s1MsVx5aigSJ10Orud6ElpV%2FuPpESTj8iWuPmNt%2FIH8UC4%2BVPcdLrn5bHqH9BqUFOr3gIAVtysfWhgy8SDFTQ9JGf3fQl%2F%2B26gN21lG4B4J2f1uhqtL2mZ3b7hiRWjDJ%2FRtIk628JiAEDnHdz1iJsfe15qipunqgOwqLXLtHMb8DXogZy3Kh1u9UVUD9lzajXIQHgNh9hI%2Fy7iTtiBqf%2FLdqhdWCLIbqdxeWygub8fZPIf5GIQwvmqOBzs%2FV76sZ9zV3ok%2FGxf4h5%2FdCWEyymxTHqJis6EgBqjIk%2Bvls9zwj56XNPhXrcyopZsRlhxRbdXo8jcYsPvzooCP2qYjqE1NhBXm5wsrIKUz9wIcS1yw2wJ%2FE2rqTfH7UArl8Ewe7E6GBXXpmedlv1uWAb6YFHAjXMKoCsFGJF5j9oFE8iaU%2Fkg2%2Bj92HSwWpf5cGZdDu9mYjj7lwqhrYUQFf8m9eNAOzwdbU9wRWNeoCWtP00%3D|clp%3A2334524|tkp%3ABFBM9NSq4Nxf

 

I guarantee... you will blow that out... and when you do... better be wearing your... protective underwear...

 

"Our clutch works with 8 - 18 hp engines within the 1600 - 3300 RPM range."

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

 

Aye @Jeff-C175.... @AMC RULES...

 

Don

Edited February 10, 2022 by Snoopy11

[wallfish 16,981]

Look at the belt in the engine pulley as you ride it and see where it is sitting in the groove. If it's only 1/2 way to the outer edge then you're leaving speed on the table. Longer belt with a spring loaded idler will allow the belt to ride up in the pulley and take up the slack at lower speeds and idle.

[Pullstart 62,782]

8 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

Call me crazy... I think it applies... yes...

 

Perhaps, you could weld a bigger pulley to the back plate, and reinstall the clutch system... by welding a pulley to the back plate, then reinstalling the clutch front plate system...? If you think I am nuts, please disregard...

 

 

Don

I have a spare clutch.  I thought about machining both sides to a larger diameter so it gets bigger when it closes.

[wallfish 16,981]

2 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

I guarantee... you will blow that out... and when you do... better be wearing your... protective underwear...

Ummm. your 20 series you posted is only 3-8 hp

 

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Just now, Pullstart said:

machining both sides to a larger diameter so it gets bigger when it closes

Something like that... coupled with a smaller pulley on the trans input... it should be fast enough...

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

1 minute ago, wallfish said:

Ummm. your 20 series you posted is only 3-8 hp

 

 

You didn't notice my post after that... did you...? I even quoted myself...

 

7 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

Somefin like this:

 

https://www.vmcchineseparts.com/products/20-series-7-driven-pully-5-8-bore-torque-converter-go-karts-mini-bikes

 

"But with that kind of power... you are just going to blow it out... over... and over... and over..."

 

Post #380

 

Don

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Snoopy11

[wallfish 16,981]

The 40 series torque converter is rated up to 18 hp but that's for a go kart with a direct chain to the axle.

Consider there's a geared down trans and I Guarantee you it won't have an issue

[wallfish 16,981]

9 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

You didn't notice my post after that... did you...? I even quoted myself...

Then why even post that link in the first place without reading the ad

[Snoopy11 5,714]

1 minute ago, wallfish said:

I Guarantee you it won't have an issue

Bold statement.

 

If I was going to do something like that... I would go with something like this: https://www.gopowersports.com/gopowersports-780-tav-kit-18-to-30hp/

 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Just now, Snoopy11 said:

If I was going to do something like that... I would go with something like this: https://www.gopowersports.com/gopowersports-780-tav-kit-18-to-30hp/

 

And I wouldn't even trust that. NOT for any other reason, but for safety.

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

1 minute ago, wallfish said:

Then why even post that link in the first place without reading the ad

Why are you nit-picking?

 

I just gave an example of what you were talking about. Very simple.

 

Do I think it will work safely long-term... Nope.

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Let's use a tiny bit of logic here...

 

If they weren't necessary... why are there torque converters for different power levels / rpm levels?

 

Hmm...

 

Don

[wallfish 16,981]

3 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

Bold statement.

 

If I was going to do something like that... I would go with something like this: https://www.gopowersports.com/gopowersports-780-tav-kit-18-to-30hp/

 

 

Don

I'll leave all the good advice up to snoopy from now on.

maybe the fuel filter is too big and that's the issue

1 minute ago, Snoopy11 said:

Why are you nit-picking?

It;s not nit picking and you called me out by quoting my link. And now doing it again with the "Bold statement" 

If you know what you're talking about give GOOD advise but guessing on advice doesn't actually help anything except your post count!

[SylvanLakeWH 25,489]

Nice job @Pullstart… 

[Handy Don 12,131]

Boy oh boy, that looked like a terrific fun reward for a ton of work! And you even caught some air over the driveway plow berm.

Inspiring stuff, there @Pullstart. 🛠❄︎❄️🤗😀

[Snoopy11 5,714]

3 minutes ago, wallfish said:

I'll leave all the good advice up to snoopy from now on.

I thought we were having a conversation... trying to help. At least... I was. I have a bit of experience with torque converters... and little though that experience may be... I have common sense enough to speak up when I think something might not be such a good idea.

 

4 minutes ago, wallfish said:

maybe the fuel filter is too big and that's the issue

Nope, the guys on the forum taught me that my previous experience with fuel filters was wrong. I admitted that I was wrong. I guess your just trying to make sure I get some extra lashes

 

6 minutes ago, wallfish said:

It;s not nit picking and you called me out by quoting my link. And now doing it again with the "Bold statement" 

Giving a "guarantee" on something that wasn't designed for this much power... is pretty bold. I wouldn't make that statement. That was my only point.

 

7 minutes ago, wallfish said:

If you know what you're talking about give GOOD advise but guessing on advice doesn't actually help anything except your post count!

 

I'm not guessing. Maybe you should look at the HP rating of the Torque converter that you linked to. Quite telling. Least the one I linked to From GPS is rated for more power. Still not enough to make me want to use it.

 

Don

[Pullstart 62,782]

I’m going to try to go with a smaller rear pulley and maybe machine the front and go from there.

[WHX?? 48,760]

8 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

 Maybe you should look at the HP rating of the 

 coming to get you .... bumbles  don't bounce you get to my age. Heard tell younger guys do but just break more bones.... just sayin.......

[SylvanLakeWH 25,489]

Just a reminder do you still have that torque converter I gave you with WHrat WHrecker… maybe an option…