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So.  Rylee was plowing with Chloe and I was blowing piles back with the 310-8 (Magnum).  I popped into a pile she plowed up and pop!bang!backfire!stall!  Trying to restart, more backfires and pops.  My guess, the snowblower stalled out the engine just enough to shear the key.  Thoughts?

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squonk

I haven't seen a Kohler shear a key ever. That doesn't mean it can't.  Do things sound normal whilst cranking? (normal starter sound)

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stevasaurus

Looks like you need to take a look see.  Dah!!!    :eusa-think:    No videos, no pictures...no idea what happened.  

Thoughts...you ask??  Give me a break...where is my Carnac picture??

 

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40 minutes ago, squonk said:

I haven't seen a Kohler shear a key ever. That doesn't mean it can't.  Do things sound normal whilst cranking? (normal starter sound)


normal, all except the backfires and pops…. Still have compression 

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stevasaurus

Until you look at your PTO, your chain drive on the blower, maybe the newspaper that got caught...what do you want us to guess??

Bad gas???  :confusion-confused:

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squonk

If your flywheel key sheared, you probably wouldn't have compression as the flywheel would spin with the starter without the crank turning

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3 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Until you look at your PTO, your chain drive on the blower, maybe the newspaper that got caught...what do you want us to guess??

Bad gas???  :confusion-confused:

Newspaper? I was thinking more like a Chevy truck transmission! :lol:

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1 minute ago, squonk said:

If your flywheel key sheared, you probably wouldn't have compression as the flywheel would spin with the starter without the crank turning


Great point.  I’ve got it in the shop melting and will investigate later.  

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WHX??

I woulda thought the belt would have slipped and squealed long before shearing a keyway.  Somehow the timing got knocked off tho.  I don't know too much about a magnum you know my herd... all K's....

How much sno you get over there? 

Unless it just sheared enough knocking the timing off Squonky? I know you know how Briggs keys sheared. They look like an off set keyway. Would be really odd for a Kohler to do that tho. 

Keep us posted Kev. 

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Terry M

Pullstart..you seem to be a really smart and knowledgeable guy when it comes to these machines.   Take a look and check it out..and I’ll bet you find what’s wrong.   But if not there will be more than enough help flowing your way to figure it out.😎👍

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squonk

On a K it's a pretty big key. I'm assuming the magnum is the same. Unless the key was beat up already I can't see the key breaking. They are steel. Briggs keys are aluminum and designed to shear.

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pfrederi

The steel key on the PTO side on one of mine was offset...no sheared completely, but offset that would cause a timing  issue with the Magnum if it happened on the flywheel side, but would not affect compression...

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WHX??

Maybe magnets came loose ... seems to a rash of that going around? 

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WHX??
43 minutes ago, squonk said:

 Briggs keys are aluminum and designed to shear.

True....

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squonk

Here's a thought. Magnets broke loose like Cousin Jim said or someone used an impact on the flywheel nut and the key slot had a crack in it and it broke.

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953 nut

You may have had a little snow get into the flywheel fan which then got up to the magneto and gave it a high resistance path to ground.    :confusion-confused:  Not enough to kill the ignition but enough to weaken it.   May cure itself after it has dried out.

PS;   check the air filter for snow too.

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squonk

Like snow getting into the points.

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Pullstart

@953 nut I am clueless here.  Checked oil level today, all is fine there.  Fired right up!  I’m looking forward to trying it out again and see if I can duplicate it.

 

 

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oldlineman

Might have been snow getting in the wrong place. I had a 1969 SkiDoo that would do that when running in light fluffy snow. Bob 

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ranger

Water in the gas? Runs for a while then ices up in the pump or carb jets, etc. used to come across this all the time in the winter on cars. Air passing through a venturi caused ice to form on outside of carb and any water in fuel would freeze in jets etc. After sitting for a while, ice melts and away you go! A hot engine inside a hood, ice clears quite quickly, an exposed engine outside in sub zero temps,???? 

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11 minutes ago, ranger said:

Water in the gas? Runs for a while then ices up in the pump or carb jets, etc. used to come across this all the time in the winter on cars. Air passing through a venturi caused ice to form on outside of carb and any water in fuel would freeze in jets etc. After sitting for a while, ice melts and away you go! A hot engine inside a hood, ice clears quite quickly, an exposed engine outside in sub zero temps,???? 

I can’t say you’re wrong, but I just filled it with fresh Non-ethanol fuel.  

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WHX??

Sounds great to me... you sure there WAS a problem? Or are you just "hosen" us?!??!  :laughing-rolling:

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31 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Sounds great to me... you sure there WAS a problem? Or are you just "hosen" us?!??!  :laughing-rolling:


It surely was broken.  Well, stalled out at least.  Rylee helped me drag and push it out of the snow and into the garage.

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pfrederi

I think Richard nailed it... snow build up near the magneto..

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oldlineman

Yep snow can get sucked into the wrong places sometimes. Bob

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