Just another parts pile build

[ebinmaine 67,496]

Agree with all the above.  

Keep THIS thread.  

 

[Oldskool 6,644]

19 minutes ago, sjoemie himself said:

Well I think your idea of putting two engines on it is interesting enough to keep this thread going 

I'm thinking I'm going to stick with just one engine on this.

[Oldskool 6,644]

16 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

If it’s the same guts, just different direction, keep it going… shows progression of thought…

 

Mostly the same parts. Probably some others added in

[Oldskool 6,644]

10 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Every build I've started always evolves into something else. Keep it going, even if starting with a clean slate. Besides, it makes referencing back much easier if you ever need to.

It probably will be a clean slate for the most part.

New ideas, new life. I usually wait till winter to build something but I just have the itch lol

[Pullstart 62,870]

I think Alabama sang it best when they released that song about getting back home.  Keep it going!  Roll on @Oldskool Builder, roll on!  

[Oldskool 6,644]

I'm thinking I want a wider rear stance.

Other then wheel spacers or custom wheels what's my next best.? I would like to have the inside of the tires wide enough for a seat and and my butt to fit without friction burns.

 

I have a Toro vert shaft rear thats just about correct in width with hubs but not sure if I want to go that route.

[ebinmaine 67,496]

27 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

I'm thinking I want a wider rear stance.

Other then wheel spacers or custom wheels what's my next best.? I would like to have the inside of the tires wide enough for a seat and and my butt to fit without friction burns.

 

I have a Toro vert shaft rear thats just about correct in width with hubs but not sure if I want to go that route.

 

You could hunt up a set of GT14 axles. 

That's what I used on Colossus. 

 

Disclaimer!!

FYI:

The section of the axle that rides on the bearing is normally hardened.  

On wide axles and a normal transmission body that doesn't happen.  

I don't know if this will be an issue for me later.  

[SylvanLakeWH 25,557]

Duallys… 

[Oldskool 6,644]

37 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

You could hunt up a set of GT14 axles. 

That's what I used on Colossus. 

 

Disclaimer!!

FYI:

The section of the axle that rides on the bearing is normally hardened.  

On wide axles and a normal transmission body that doesn't happen.  

I don't know if this will be an issue for me later.  

Proper lube it probably won't give you any issues.

The GT14 axles probably won't be a possibility for this build. It's a good idea though.

[Oldskool 6,644]

2 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Duallys… 

That does give me a wider stance but I need more width between the inside of the tires.

[ebinmaine 67,496]

18 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

That does give me a wider stance but I need more width between the inside of the tires.

Only way I can't think of is about 3, maybe 4" of spacers OR

Make a set of custom wheels with wayout " backspacing ".  

[Handy Don 12,225]

1 hour ago, Oldskool said:

I'm thinking I want a wider rear stance.

Other then wheel spacers or custom wheels what's my next best.? I would like to have the inside of the tires wide enough for a seat and and my butt to fit without friction burns.

 

I have a Toro vert shaft rear thats just about correct in width with hubs but not sure if I want to go that route.

I'm mentally thinking of the IH-Farmalls, the WH Seniors, and the US Army original Hummer. All of these have the wheel axles supported separately from the drive axle.

If you were of a mind, you could go as wide as you want with the wheel spacing and wheel axles (which need only be as long as needed for good support at each side) and then use a chain drive to link the drive axle to the wheel axle on each side. This preserves the differential action and can give you extra ground clearance under the transaxle if you wished.  You could even introduce up or down gearing with the choice of sprockets and add braking on the wheel axles.

Hmmm, don't you have experience already with a final drive that uses a chain and with split braking?   

[Oldskool 6,644]

9 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

I'm mentally thinking of the IH-Farmalls, the WH Seniors, and the US Army original Hummer. All of these have the wheel axles supported separately from the drive axle.

If you were of a mind, you could go as wide as you want with the wheel spacing and wheel axles (which need only be as long as needed for good support at each side) and then use a chain drive to link the drive axle to the wheel axle on each side. This preserves the differential action and can give you extra ground clearance under the transaxle if you wished.  You could even introduce up or down gearing with the choice of sprockets and add braking on the wheel axles.

Hmmm, don't you have experience already with a final drive that uses a chain and with split braking?   

I had given that some thought. Even had  a thought it could be added to a swing arm and have rear suspension.  An added expense I would rather not add to the build. 

 

With some spitballing, redesigning, and redirecting I think I can get away with stock width or maybe 2in wheel spacers.

[ebinmaine 67,496]

4 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

I had given that some thought. Even had  a thought it could be added to a swing arm and have rear suspension.  An added expense I would rather not add to the build. 

 

With some spitballing, redesigning, and redirecting I think I can get away with stock width or maybe 2in wheel spacers.

 

Measure yerr... Ummm... People backside. 

ACTUAL measurement. Not what you wish it were.  

 

Carefully consider whether you will use fenders or not. 

If no fenders add a strong 4" to that distance. 

Otherwise just add in for whatever guards etc.  

 

You could change the wheel  backspacing to zero or add more spacers.  

I don't think it'll matter either way.   

[Oldskool 6,644]

5 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Measure yerr... Ummm... People backside. 

ACTUAL measurement. Not what you wish it were.  

Bahahahahaha

[Handy Don 12,225]

9 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

ACTUAL measurement. Not what you wish it were.  

 

Single or dual?

[ebinmaine 67,496]

2 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Single or dual?

Yes? 

[Handy Don 12,225]

27 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

Even had  a thought it could be added to a swing arm and have rear suspension

Neat, yes. Gilding the lily, yes again. Suspension adds beaucoup complications and cost.

[Oldskool 6,644]

So I'm thinking this is going to end up being a lowered toy. Not 100% in tractor form. Just for cruising the neighborhood, around the yard and maybe local town celebrations.. 

[Heatingman 971]

On 1/21/2022 at 12:08 PM, Oldskool said:

After such a good start things have kinda come to a temporary stop.

 

Parts and info collection will still carry on.

I would like to put a PTO clutch on this build in hopes of having some hydraulics for various tasks.

 

To start with its probably going to require a custom pulley of sorts for the transmission drive belt. This is where the questions begin. I have alot of the linkages and im sure I will have to fab a few as well.

I have these parts indicated in the pic. What am I missing as far as the clutch itself goes?

Also how much shaft should be sticking out past the pulley for this to be functional?

 

 

 

The needle bearings of the the pto bell ride on a shaft extension/bushing that is held in place by those 2 crescent parts. 
 

could be made on a lathe with the right skill set

 

You can see the groove that the crescent clips would slot into.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Heatingman

[Oldskool 6,644]

14 minutes ago, Heatingman said:

The needle bearings of the the pto bell ride on a shaft extension/bushing that is held in place by those 2 crescent parts. 
 

could be made on a lathe with the right skill set

 

You can see the groove that the crescent clips would slot into.

Thanks for that info. 

I think this build has drifted very far from its original intent.

Whatever comes out of this mess probably won't have a pto on it.

[Oldskool 6,644]

So sliding stuff around on the floor, this mess is where things ended up before supper.

Thinking this may end up as a C cab T bucket style tractor.

 

Things may change again before tomorrow comes to an end lol

[ebinmaine 67,496]

1 minute ago, Oldskool said:

a C cab

Mack had a neat one... 

[cafoose 3,355]

[ebinmaine 67,496]