WHGuy413 2,683 #1 Posted January 8, 2022 Does anyone have any suggestions for holding the rod that turns the plow in the plow? Yesterday while Aiden was plowing the rod dropped out twice. The first time I struggled to put it back together and put the correct size pin in place. Something about fat cold fingers in a tight place was not helping but I got it. 10 minutes later it was on the ground again. The pins are both long gone. So I just ended up taking the rod off so he could continue plowing. When he needed to turn it I had him squeeze the handle and I spun it by hand. I’ve only ever had this happen once before in all the years I’ve owned these tractors. Pic for attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,317 #2 Posted January 8, 2022 Get rid of the rod altogether and change it over to a set of heim joints. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,036 #3 Posted January 8, 2022 I use cotter pins in the rear. The springs pins were always getting pushed out. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,512 #4 Posted January 8, 2022 Putting a washer on ahead of the hair pin will help to keep the pin from being pushed out. 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,501 #5 Posted January 8, 2022 Never drops with a washer… 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldlineman 1,481 #6 Posted January 9, 2022 Yea what they said, I have plowed with a 1979 c-101 for 43 winters and have never had that happen, put cotter pin and washer on and no problem. Bob 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,036 #7 Posted January 9, 2022 Yep use a washer and install the pin correctly. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ri702bill 8,294 #8 Posted January 9, 2022 The cotter pin and washer work fine, but as you already know, are a pia to correctly install. Just did what @ebinmaine mentioned last week - hexhead bolts with nylock nuts - works great. Bill 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHGuy413 2,683 #9 Posted January 9, 2022 Thanks for all the great info guys. It originally had a washer when it fell out the first time. I am really digging @ebinmaine’s idea. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,317 #10 Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, WHGuy413 said: . I am really digging @ebinmaine’s idea. I can't take credit for it though. I stole/borrowed the info from 9 hours ago, ri702bill said: The cotter pin and washer work fine, but as you already know, are a pia to correctly install. Just did what @ebinmaine mentioned last week - hexhead bolts with nylock nuts - works great. Bill 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,588 #11 Posted January 9, 2022 @gwest_ca when using those hair pin clips on the rear of the plow frame area , push them thru till they are in the last large hole of the pin set , they will not fall out when in the last hole , don't ask me how I know this , pete 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,588 #12 Posted January 10, 2022 @gwest_ca dare I say it , but I always lubricate those pins for easy installation, rusty / plugged holes are not safety pin friendly, keep it oily , pete 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,302 #13 Posted January 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, peter lena said: keep it oily , pete Is this the entrance to your property? 1 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,588 #14 Posted January 10, 2022 @lynnmor thats about right , mine has the flashing lights on it . pete 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,317 #15 Posted January 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, lynnmor said: Is this the entrance to your property? Mine says BEAR at the top and it only lights up after I eat certain kinds of food... 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHGuy413 2,683 #16 Posted January 19, 2022 Another storm and another dropped turning rod. This time it was complete with washer and hair pin. Found the hair pin this time and it’s bent open for some reason. Going to get some cotter pins and try that next. If not I’m going with the threaded rod and hiem joints. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,501 #17 Posted January 19, 2022 Quite the frustration… sounds like you have a good plan of attack… I’ve never dropped one so no other suggestions… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,317 #18 Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: Quite the frustration… sounds like you have a good plan of attack… I’ve never dropped one so no other suggestions… We haven't either. Only thing I can think of is maybe the mounting point is worn to excess allowing the pin to contact the inside of the area? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 16,986 #19 Posted January 19, 2022 Watch it closely at the rod connection where the problem is as someone moves the blade back and forth and look for whatever or if anything is forcing the rod end out of the hole or contacting the pin. Bending a hairpin "open" is something directly contacting the pin. The only thing in contact with the pin should be the washer and the hole in the rod. Is it being moved when the blade is down and engaged with the ground? I'm guessing the pin could be hitting the ground when driving over rough terrain. It is located pretty close to the ground. If it's not from hitting the ground then something isn't right if it continues to push pins off or bend them open. The forces involved for indexing the blade are minimal compared to what a washer and pin are capable of holding. All the force on the rod should be fore and aft and minimal push or pull of the rod end out of the hole. Which end are you having trouble with? At the handle or under the index sector? Does the blade itself swivel full motion side to side easily without the rod connected? Has anything been modified like a new handle or homemade rod or anything? How about a pic of it set up on the tractor? Or better yet a short video of it indexing back and forth. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,588 #20 Posted January 19, 2022 @wallfish, noting your photo, and the dry rusty " movement areas " would you ever think of adding some lubricant to that spot ? ,my related plow linkage is all HEIM JOINTED , done years ago , similar to what @ebinmaine has just done. also went after every related bracket point , also use super lube , teflon spray on my blades , moves snow with smooth ease, pete 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
