moe1965 737 #1 Posted January 4, 2022 Hello all I'm working on a project dont know how it will work out but on paper it should. My blade on the 854 takes 52 lds of lift force to get it off the ground. Using a pully it should reduce that effort by half. The only trade off your giving up is your travel or lift of the blade off the ground reduces by half as well. There are good videos on YouTube under Pullies that are very informative especially using ****** blocks to help big heavy jobs easier like removing stumps etc. check them out. I hope to have time soon to work on it. I'll keep you all informed. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #2 Posted January 4, 2022 That looks like a great idea Moe! I'm gonna think about that one. There's another thread in which we've been kicking around ideas toward the same end: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,501 #3 Posted January 4, 2022 Curious to see what you come up with… Recent addition mail similar post: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #4 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, moe1965 said: using ****** blocks The forum software thinks that " sn4tch " is a bad word! As long as the lift arm has TWICE the 'throw' it needs, because halving the force required would mean doubling the distance, this would work well I think! I'm gonna see if I can prototype something. I know that on my 125, there IS excess 'throw', just not sure yet if it's twice as much as needed. One could lengthen the arm to get more throw, but then I believe you would be adding back the weight due to the longer arm and the torque required. Keep us posted how you do with your work Moe! Edited January 4, 2022 by Jeff-C175 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,809 #5 Posted January 4, 2022 What about an assist spring? It should help with loofa without sacrificing throw… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #6 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Pullstart said: What about an assist spring? It should help with loofa without sacrificing throw… "loofa" ? See the 'other' thread. The assist spring reduces the down pressure of the blade. I've got that setup on mine now. Cuts the down pressure in half with the spring I've got on there. I don't know if 40 pounds of down pressure is enough to keep the plow on the ground yet, but we'll see... soon enough I think! Edited January 4, 2022 by Jeff-C175 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,809 #7 Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, Jeff-C175 said: See the 'other' thread. The assist spring reduces the down pressure of the blade. I've got that setup on mine now. Cuts the down pressure in half with the spring I've got on there. I don't know if 40 pounds of down pressure is enough to keep the plow on the ground yet, but we'll see... soon enough I think! Maybe in the right location, it could detent one way or another to assist with down pressure or neutralize? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #8 Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Pullstart said: detent Check out Greg's suggestion in the other thread. He's got a slotted lever idea that would 'flip' the position of the spring. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,501 #9 Posted January 4, 2022 Or just go Popeye… 1 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #10 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: Or just go Popeye… egg egg egg ... Edited January 4, 2022 by Jeff-C175 1 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moe1965 737 #11 Posted January 4, 2022 Sorry about word. I did see the other post about lift and have been following it as well. That's what got me thinking. I tried a spring last year but it had little effect. I thought of using a heavier spring but setting the tension to begin with and trying not to loose an eye in the process scared me. I hope to work on it soon got all my parts then got hit by covid. Under the weather a little now doing a lot of reading now. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roadapples 6,983 #12 Posted January 4, 2022 Hope you're feeling better soon 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #13 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, moe1965 said: Sorry about word. ...... got hit by covid. Under the weather a little now doing a lot of reading now. Not your fault that the dumbazz forum software doesn't know what a sn4tch block is! Get better soon Moe! Can't wait to see what you come up with! (and try it myself) The spring I used (the piece of garage door spring) is actually SLACK when the blade is all the way up. Very easy to hook up. When raising the blade, it feels almost like a constant tension. As the spring collapses, the leverage of the lift lever seems to increase somehow. I'll have to dig out my fish scale to check that. Edited January 4, 2022 by Jeff-C175 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #14 Posted January 4, 2022 Just be careful with those springs, boys... Don't forget my "I almost lost an I..." thread... Don 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,512 #15 Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said: forum software doesn't know that a sn4tch block is! 10 minutes ago, moe1965 said: Sorry about word. "Block and tackle" would be a way around the "Sn4tch" word. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,170 #17 Posted January 4, 2022 I got caught on the sn4tch word too! First time I'd seen that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Kennell 38,034 #18 Posted January 4, 2022 HYDRO LIFT 4 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelhorse#1 1,645 #19 Posted January 5, 2022 Interesting.I was just thinking this yesterday wile pushing snow around. First thought was Dam !! getting old ! It would be easier if it was on the right side,if you are right handed that is. I think a couple of pulleys might be the way.Less friction. Ill be following this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killroy 35 #20 Posted January 5, 2022 I just move the lever up and the blade lifts.... lol 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #21 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, killroy said: I just move the lever up and the blade lifts.... lol Yeah? OK. One of my machines works that way too. Do you have any suggestions on how to make it easier to pull a manual lift Killroy? Edited January 5, 2022 by Jeff-C175 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,170 #22 Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said: Yeah? OK. One of my machines works that way too. Do you have any suggestions on how to make it easier to pull a manual lift? A ratchet mechanism could lessen the raising load at the expense of extra back and forth levering but I can't offhand think of a good way to lower it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #23 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Handy Don said: A ratchet mechanism could lessen the raising load at the expense of extra back and forth levering but I can't offhand think of a good way to lower it. That question was actually for Killjoy ... but since you mentioned a ratchet, I thought about the way my el-cheapo come along reverses (and there's a mechanism on that very similar to the sliding spring lever that Greg had suggested in the other thread) because I had looked at that for ideas. Maybe just get a 1" Drive ratchet wrench and hook a foot pedal up to the reverser on that? and use it for the handle... but I jest. Don't take this seriously please! Edited January 5, 2022 by Jeff-C175 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,170 #24 Posted January 5, 2022 Just now, Jeff-C175 said: That question was actually for Killjoy ... but since you mentioned a ratchet, I thought about the way my el-cheapo come along reverses because I had looked at that for ideas. Maybe just get a 1" Drive ratchet wrench and hook a foot pedal up to the reverser on that? and use it for the handle... but I jest. Don't take this seriously please! The ratchet idea should have been accompanied by Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,199 #25 Posted January 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Handy Don said: The ratchet idea should have been accompanied by Fixed it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
