Another quick question on paint

[Gregor 4,847]

My wife has some pieces she wants painted. I asked her what color, at the time, she didn't know. I rattle canned the primer on, Rustoleum Self etching primer. I also had these pieces media blasted. Today she went shopping for paint. In true Judy fashion, she bought the cheapest stuff on the shelf, but it was the color she wanted. Flat Yellow! Yeah, there's a LOT of flat yellow out there. My question is: Can I paint these things Gloss yellow, and then top coat with Satin clear? Will the end result be satin?

[Maxwell-8 4,359]

1 hour ago, Gregor said:

My wife has some pieces she wants painted. I asked her what color, at the time, she didn't know. I rattle canned the primer on, Rustoleum Self etching primer. I also had these pieces media blasted. Today she went shopping for paint. In true Judy fashion, she bought the cheapest stuff on the shelf, but it was the color she wanted. Flat Yellow! Yeah, there's a LOT of flat yellow out there. My question is: Can I paint these things Gloss yellow, and then top coat with Satin clear? Will the end result be satin?

I think yes, But have no experience.  

 

Be carefull mixing brands and product lines of paint.  I once redid my rims, acryl primer and color but a solvent based clear coat. looked fine until I came back an all the paint had bubbled. Could start all over again.

Paint was the same brand but a different kind of paint from a different productline. 

[pacer 3,174]

@Maxwell-8 is spot on ..... In yrs past when lacquer paint was easily bought, I loved to paint with it. But, using it you would dramatically see what would happen if you sprayed over regular enamels it would .... 'craze/krinkle' (I think those were the terms) and you would have to go to bare metal to get rid of it.

 

Although lacquer isnt readily available now, this result could still happen - tho probably not as dramatic - if two different .... brands? were used. Best bet is to do a 'test' piece.

 

A total nuther problem you can run into when painting is getting "fish eye" ((thats a very good name, describes it perfectly) Silicone is the primary reason. With so many products having silicone in them it can jump up and bite you! We had bought a nice dining table/chairs and after several yrs the paint was really bad (ice in glasses sweating) Well over the years my wife and I faithfully had shined it up with Pledge - almost pure silicone! So, I go to gun paint it, sanded it down to where I felt like I had removed all of it .... started spraying, before I got thru the 1st coat it was fish eying BADLY. So I went and got my bottle of fish eye retarder to add a few drops in the next gun ..... and sanded it down - again! better but ..... On the THIRD sand down and repaint - I tried something different and held the gun up over my head letting the clear coat drift/float down in a light misting, pausing between each coat, after about the 3rd/4th coat was still looking good so finished up with 7-8 coats and got a good finish.

 

I mention this because most car wax - all? - have lots of silicone and there are quite a few on here wax the horses....

[Gregor 4,847]

11 minutes ago, pacer said:

if you sprayed over regular enamels it would .... 'craze/krinkle

Been there done that. It was ugly.

[Gregor 4,847]

3 hours ago, Gregor said:

Can I paint these things Gloss yellow, and then top coat with Satin clear? Will the end result be satin?

I tried it. Rustoleum gloss black. Rustoleum satin clear. The directions on the satin say to sand the gloss first, Well obviously if you sand it, it's not going to be glossy anymore. I didn't sand it. Just painted over the gloss. It came out satin. In the end it didn't matter. She wanted THAT yellow, and ONLY that yellow. Heres another tip. NEVER PAINT YELLOW !  It's a . and I thought white was bad.

[Elkskin's mower junkyard 1,117]

20 minutes ago, Gregor said:

I tried it. Rustoleum gloss black. Rustoleum satin clear. The directions on the satin say to sand the gloss first, Well obviously if you sand it, it's not going to be glossy anymore. I didn't sand it. Just painted over the gloss. It came out satin. In the end it didn't matter. She wanted THAT yellow, and ONLY that yellow. Heres another tip. NEVER PAINT YELLOW !  It's a . and I thought white was bad.

one thing missing. we want pictures lol 

[Gregor 4,847]

I wasn't sure if it would show up in a pic, but it sort-a does. Just a piece of scrap metal.

[squonk 41,649]

I paint with Rustoleum and when the final coat is still wet I spray Rustoleum clear right over it. Works great.

[Gregor 4,847]

That's exactly what I did with these pieces. The first piece, a bit too much, a bit too soon. The second piece was better.

[ri702bill 8,564]

17 hours ago, pacer said:

A total nuther problem you can run into when painting is getting "fish eye"

Back in my painting for a living days, we used a liquid from DuPont (I think) called Prepsol to prepare the surface and minimize fish eyes - the can cautioned you to wipe a wet coat on BEFORE sanding to remove any silicone based products. Sand as desired, then re-apply and wipe WITH NEW RAGS. Oh, by the way, do NOT stick a rag dampened with this stuff in your pocket - an hour or so later - big red spot rash on the skin that almost never sees daylight!!! You only do that once .....

Bill

Edited December 16, 2021 by ri702bill