Kohler m16 value??

[Fredo 56]

I have the opportunity to buy a Kohler magnum 16. Few questions are they better than k series kohlers what are the differences and whats a good price to pay for a running non smoking one these days?

[8ntruck 7,368]

Not sure on the current price.  If you can get the spec number for that engine, it will lead you to what the build options are.  Should reveal things like output shaft diameter and length, the presence of a thrust bearing on the crank, type of ignition, alternator output, etc.

[roadapples 6,983]

No points to mess with. In good condition probably start at about $400 ... 

[Fredo 56]

4 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

 Should reveal things like output shaft diameter and length, the presence of a thrust bearing on the crank, type of ignition, alternator output, etc.

Well it has a little snubby output shaft. It be hard to get a spec number since its about an hour away from me an its hard to move around for the old gentleman that is selling it.

[Fredo 56]

3 minutes ago, roadapples said:

No points to mess with. In good condition probably start at about $400 ... 

Well then guy is asking half of that and i got to hear it run.

[RED-Z06 2,476]

Good engines...think K341 with solid state breakerless ignition 

[kpinnc 13,667]

28 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

the presence of a thrust bearing on the crank, type of ignition, alternator output, etc.

 

There are no thrust bearings on K series or Magnums. The cranks were supported with large ball bearings on both sides. Thrust bearings were used on later Command engines because they had no ball bearings on the crank and can't support an axial load.

 

And all Magnums used a form of magneto ignition.

Edited December 7, 2021 by kpinnc

[RED-Z06 2,476]

20 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

There are no thrust bearings on K series or Magnums. The cranks were supported with large ball bearings on both sides. Thrust bearings were used on later Command engines because they had no ball bearings on the crank and can't support an axial load.

 

And all Magnums used a form of magneto ignition.

Same with the briggs engines on the Workhorses

[WHX?? 50,638]

33 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Well then guy is asking half of that and i got to hear it run.

Go get it then and fast 

I thought 'Apples might have been on crack when he said 400  but 200 might be smoking deal. Then again what 8N mentioned about spec no. 

What are your plans for it... in a working horse or something else. The stub crank could be a deal breaker or possibly  a 

 

[Fredo 56]

50 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

What are your plans for it... in a working horse or something else. The stub crank could be a deal breaker or possibly  a 

 

Building a mud mower out of a commando 6. Just trying figure if i should get the magnum 16 or if a 1974 sears ss16 with the onan 16hp(same price same guy, except the onan is non running, gas problems) would be a better option for a mud mower. Have heard it can get expensive to fix these onan motors.

[RED-Z06 2,476]

27 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Building a mud mower out of a commando 6. Just trying figure if i should get the magnum 16 or if a 1974 sears ss16 with the onan 16hp(same price same guy, except the onan is non running, gas problems) would be a better option for a mud mower. Have heard it can get expensive to fix these onan motors.

Its expensive to fix alot of older engines...L and M series can be many hundreds for a rebuild.

[kpinnc 13,667]

For a mud mower, the stub shaft won't be an issue.

 

But 16hp on one is overkill when linked to these WH transmissions, and probably the only difference between it and a K241 would be that you'll have half the range for  given fuel capacity.

[Gregor 4,847]

11 hours ago, kpinnc said:

The cranks were supported with large ball bearings on both sides.

I often get confused during conversations about Kohler M series engines. There are both single, and twin cylinder Magnums. I have a Magnum 16 Twin. It does not have ball bearings.

11 hours ago, Fredo said:

Well it has a little snubby output shaft.

Have you seen this motor? A complete model #, and spec #, would really tell a lot. Snubby output shaft, makes me wonder if it is tapered, for a generator.

Horizontal shaft?

10 hours ago, Fredo said:

mud mower

Just what is a mud mower? I have a John Deere 165 I call my "mud mower" simply because I use it to mow a very wet area. Sometimes, standing water.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Gregor

[Maxwell-8 4,366]

30 minutes ago, Gregor said:

Just what is a mud mower?

indeed, If you are only going to be doing mudbogs..  You better of with a cheaper engine, because doing that is just asking for a blown engine. 

If you need to pull a trailer trough a muddy area, that twin could be a better option.

 

[pfrederi 18,314]

Stubby crank likely sign it was for a generator.  Probably tapered also.  I have seen adapters  on EBAY to make it a straight shaft.  If it is a twin M16 generator engine it will not have a thrust bearing... but if you are not using a PTO that is not an issue.  The Magnum Twins have a full pressure lubrication system which would be better for your off roading than  a splash system

Edited December 7, 2021 by pfrederi

[clueless 3,106]

1 hour ago, pfrederi said:

Stubby crank likely sign it was for a generator.  Probably tapered also.  I have seen adapters  on EBAY to make it a straight shaft.  If it is a generator engine it will not have a thrust bearing... but if you are not using a PTO that is not an issue.  The Magnum Twins have a full pressure lubrication system which would be better for your off roading than  a splash system

 Stub crank and possible tapered ain't gonna work unless you change the crank shaft.

[pfrederi 18,314]

9 minutes ago, clueless said:

 Stub crank and possible tapered ain't gonna work unless you change the crank shaft.

 I have not personally tried one of these but they have sold a bunch....

 

 

[Fredo 56]

I just asked guy to see what the engine came out of. I want to say he did say it came out of a generator. I will confirm because if thats the case i will probably pass on it.

[Fredo 56]

7 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said:

indeed, If you are only going to be doing mudbogs..  You better of with a cheaper engine, because doing that is just asking for a blown engine. 

If you need to pull a trailer trough a muddy area, that twin could be a better option.

 

Interesting and very good point.

3 hours ago, clueless said:

 Stub crank and possible tapered ain't gonna work unless you change the crank shaft.

He just replied saying its not tapered but it is a short crank shaft?

[RED-Z06 2,476]

1 hour ago, Fredo said:

Interesting and very good point.

He just replied saying its not tapered but it is a short crank shaft?

Maybe a large roll around blower or chipper?  They tend to have shorter cranks 

[RED-Z06 2,476]

Another possibility...it drove something off the flywheel side and the pto end was just an unused stub?

[Howie 899]

Didn't the gravely use a stub shaft engine or am I remembering wrong?

[pfrederi 18,314]

Without a spec number this is a lot of speculation