Made a Non Ethanol run like a moonshiner!

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,327]

  For some reason here in Connecticut you can’t buy ethanol free fuel at a gas station from a pump. You have to go to a hardware store or Walmart and pay around $20 for a 110oz container of Tru-fuel. Which by the way is not quite a gallon .

  After extensive research the closest place to me that has it from a pump is in New Hampshire! 
  So guess where I drove to today to buy ethanol free for 3.99 a gallon! 
  My neighbor @Docwheelhorse  wanted in on the deal but couldn’t make the trip. So he covered half of my trucks fuel bill and paid for his half of the ethanol free fuel. 
  It was 103 miles (one way) to the Sunoco station, bought $178 or 45 gallons worth of ethanol free. My truck used $45. That’s $223 in total.
  Ended up costing us right around $5 a gallon! Good deal right! 

[squonk 41,150]

No Marina's closer or are they completely closed?

[pfrederi 17,741]

A local station (6 miles) has non ethanol premium, but PA Gas tax second highest in the nation makes it  $4.25/gal

[SylvanLakeWH 25,600]

I’m lucky I guess… lakes all over so many local gas stations carry it… averages about a buck more per gallon… but price bounces around…

[squonk 41,150]

1 minute ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

I’m lucky I guess… lakes all over so many local gas stations carry it… averages about a buck more per gallon… but price bounces around…

Same here. right in the middle of the Fingerlakes. You DO NOT want to try to get gas on a Sunny Sunday around 10 AM! 

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24 minutes ago, squonk said:

No Marina's closer or are they completely closed?

Closed…but it’s still ethanol laced fuel when they are open 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

33 minutes ago, Sparky said:

 It was 103 miles (one way)

That will be my closest as well, I havee to go out of country.. to the Netherlands..

Haven't done it yet, but I see you do it, so why not me. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Maxwell-8

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42 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

A local station (6 miles) has non ethanol premium, but PA Gas tax second highest in the nation makes it  $4.25/gal

  Still cheaper than what it cost us here in Connecticut. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

55 minutes ago, Sparky said:

in Connecticut you can’t buy ethanol free fuel at a gas station

 

Same here in NJ.  It's BULL DOO-DOO.  But then, we can't even pump our own fuel!  And the pump jockey would not have filled those containers that are not RED !  Another state law.

 

Nor can you get Kero into other than a BLUE container, or Diesel into other than YELLOW.

 

And... heaven help ya if the local code inspector finds out that you've got a fuel container stored in your garage (by code, detached storage locker, of course it's not enforced), and furthermore, you can't store more than 10 gallons!

 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[WHNJ701 4,165]

15 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Same here in NJ. 

 

Yes you can buy non ethanol gas in NJ.  The local airports sell it, AV gas has no ethenol in it

Edited December 4, 2021 by jabelman

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28 minutes ago, jabelman said:

Yes you can buy non ethanol gas in NJ.  The local airports sell it, AV gas has no ethenol in it

  What’s the story with Aviation fuel?  Octane? Any issue with running thru it our old Kohler’s? 
   And of course, what’s a gallon going for?

[squonk 41,150]

The best aviation gas to get for your small engine would be a low-lead one with an octane rating of 100 or slightly less. This works great with small engines with carburetors. It's not a good idea to use this high-octane aviation fuel on any small engine that might be equipped with fuel injectors.

 

https://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?39517-100LL-in-small-gas-engines

Edited December 4, 2021 by squonk

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

59 minutes ago, jabelman said:

Yes you can buy non ethanol gas in NJ.  The local airports sell it, AV gas has no ethenol in it

 

But, have you actually tried?  I did. The two closest to me would not dispense into a container.

 

[rjg854 11,378]

Luckily for me I have a couple places right in town that I can get nonethanol fuel. 18 gallons was 70 bucks. That should hold me for awhile depending on how the plowing goes. Those 16 hps get thirsty.  

[ebinmaine 67,596]

Good to see you making the trip for that Non E @Sparky. 

 

I haven't verified this.... I understand federal law limits transport to 30 gallons unless on a properly placarded vehicle.  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Good to see you making the trip for that Non E @Sparky. 

 

I haven't verified this.... I understand federal law limits transport to 30 gallons unless on a properly placarded vehicle.  

 

 

Did I say 45 gallons..,,umm… I meant 29.9 gallons

[ebinmaine 67,596]

1 minute ago, Sparky said:

Did I say 45 gallons..,,umm… I meant 29.9 gallons

Oh yeah I figured. 

I added up the known visual capacity of all those tanks. 

I was quite sure it was right around 29.9.   

 

[ranger 1,750]

1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

But, have you actually tried?  I did. The two closest to me would not dispense into a container.

 

Strap down a spare gas tank into the back of your truck with some dummy fuel lines, then tell the pump attendant the truck runs off this tank!

[Skwerl58 704]

I have three stations that are within 12 miles of me that have non-ethanol. I buy mostly from a local Shell station that has 93 octane non ethanol. Picked up 8 gallons this week for $3.84 a gallon. Some of these state regulations are just nuts, to protect the idiots I suppose. 

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Question for experts;

  Say I had a quart of regular 10% ethanol fuel in my push mowers tank and I added a quart of my new non-ethanol fuel. Do I now have fuel with 5% ethanol content? Seems like I would but I’m no chemist (although I dappled with a few chemicals in my teens 🙄).

  And if it’s now 5% ethanol will it have a longer storage life? 

[dcrage 628]

It would definitely be 5% ethanol after dilution and I don’t know the answer to the stability after dilution. If the formation of the ethanol ‘gunk’ is dependent on the concentration of ethanol then yes it would have a longer shelf life. But I have no idea what the ‘gunk’ is. One would suspect the lower ethanol concentrations would slow down the degradation on hoses, fittings, etc. 

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Mike,

I have cam2 right here in town. That is only $10 per gallon but I usually run my machines real low at my meet and greet then add just a little bit of cam2 and run them. Add a tag with comments of what I did and when and tie wrap it to the tractor! I have several that only get run at my fall meet and greet. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

45 minutes ago, Sparky said:

Do I now have fuel with 5% ethanol content?

 

Close enough for gummint work, but ciphering tells me that it's 5.263157 %

 

3.2 oz of ethanol, 60.8 oz of gazzaleen.

[roadapples 6,983]

And I don't buy it because I have a 40 mile round trip out of my way to get it...

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2 minutes ago, roadapples said:

And I don't buy it because I have a 40 mile round trip out of my way to get it...

I wish it was close by for me!