Handy Don 12,237 #51 Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Jeff-C175 said: What? And maybe eye protection? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #52 Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Handy Don said: And maybe eye protection? It usually takes me longer to gear up with all my PPE than it does to do the job! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #53 Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said: It usually takes me longer to gear up with all my PPE than it does to do the job! Like getting rain gear on in winter, struggling for 20 mins. ...then realizing you need to pee. Edited November 30, 2021 by kpinnc 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #54 Posted November 30, 2021 10 hours ago, kpinnc said: I'm probably being too picky. Not at all. If there is something ticky in the valve train... it is quite possibly bad on the valves... 6 hours ago, ebinmaine said: My new-to-me 75 Automatic governor linkage is also a tad loose. Been wondering how I could tighten that up. Tiny springs? 4 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said: Lombardini of 187lbs That... outweighs you, buddy! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #55 Posted November 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, kpinnc said: ...then realizing you need to pee. Doesn't matter when your still in diapers... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #56 Posted November 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: springs I read that suggestion for someone else in a post just recently. Biggest part of the issue seems to be at the contact point between the arm and the top of the carburetor and the governor earn itself. I was kind of wondering how I could get a small spring or something to hang there to tighten that up without affecting the mobility of the joint. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #57 Posted November 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: I read that suggestion for someone else in a post just recently. Biggest part of the issue seems to be at the contact point between the arm and the top of the carburetor and the governor earn itself. I was kind of wondering how I could get a small spring or something to hang there to tighten that up without affecting the mobility of the joint. Perhaps drilling a small hole in the linkage? That is something I have done before... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #58 Posted November 30, 2021 Later Kohlers had plastic inserts that went in the governor arm and the carb arm. They are replaceable.. Wonder if you could enlarge the holes in the older ones and use the plastic things. (#5 and #6) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #59 Posted November 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, pfrederi said: Later Kohlers had plastic inserts that went in the governor arm and the carb arm. They are replaceable.. Wonder if you could enlarge the holes in the older ones and use the plastic things. (#5 and #6) I'd had a similar thought but using a brass insert. I'll have to look in my box of parts or whatever and see if I can find one of those plastic ones.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #60 Posted November 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, pfrederi said: Later Kohlers had plastic inserts that went in the governor arm and the carb arm. I know what you mean. Those blasted things are ridiculous... I guess they are necessary for some reason... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #61 Posted November 30, 2021 I like the inserts, but they wear too. Magnums have holes to add a spring in the governor arm and carb (look close at the pic), so maybe drill the same? Pic of mine: 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregor 4,846 #62 Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 4:26 PM, kpinnc said: But I chickened out when I could not get that top snap ring off first. Those little bitty snap rings are a On 11/29/2021 at 8:44 AM, pfrederi said: Got to save my back for future use What have you got that thing hanging from, a Huey? 7 hours ago, Handy Don said: Please consider ear protection as well. Ear damage is also cumulative... Hearing aids are cheap. Only cost more than I paid for all of my put together. EACH ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #63 Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, kpinnc said: Magnums have holes to add a spring Thanks for that pic. Methinks that would solve a lot of the issue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #64 Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, ebinmaine said: Thanks for that pic. Methinks that would solve a lot of the issue. Another pic because the governor hole is hard to see. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #65 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) I made a little 1/16 hole in the governor arm and added this spring. It's not strong at all, but should be enough to take up the slop. I've done this before on a hunting governor and it took care of it. Hopefully it will add some sensitivity beyond the adjustment from the manual. Prior to adding the spring, there was about 1/8 play between the arm and throttle tab. Probably isn't actually that much, but all the combined slop certainly looked like it. At least now if the governor arm just adds pressure, the throttle will immediately respond. That's my theory anyway... Edited December 1, 2021 by kpinnc 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,926 #66 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, kpinnc said: I made a little 1/16 hole in the governor arm and added this spring. It's not strong at all, but should be enough to take up the slop. I've done this before on a hunting governor and it took care of it. Hopefully it will add some sensitivity beyond the adjustment from the manual. Prior to adding the spring, there was about 1/8 play between the arm and throttle tab. Probably isn't actually that much, but all the combined slop certainly looked like it. At least now if the governor arm just adds pressure, the throttle will immediately respond. That's my theory anyway... Briggs used a tiny spring between the carb and governor arm on many of their engines. I've also seen it on some Hondas and other brands as well. It takes the slop out of the linkage. I wonder why Kohler never did that from the factory? As for the tick, try setting your timing with a timing light and see if it goes away. Camshaft end play has also been cited by some as a potential source for unexplained sounds. Good luck with it. Edited December 1, 2021 by Bill D 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #67 Posted December 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Bill D said: Briggs used a tiny spring between the carb and governor arm on many of their engines. I've also seen it on some Hondas and other brands as well. It takes the slop out of the linkage. I wonder why Kohler never did that from the factory? Odd to me that the Magnums had the holes for a spring, but didn't have the spring... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #68 Posted December 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, kpinnc said: Odd to me that the Magnums had the holes for a spring, but didn't have the spring... I'm only grasping at straws here. It is legitimately possible that Kohler may have been building engines to fit the specs of multiple buyers and that happened to be one that somebody else was using but not a Horse. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #69 Posted December 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: I'm only grasping at straws here. It is legitimately possible that Kohler may have been building engines to fit the specs of multiple buyers and that happened to be one that somebody else was using but not a Horse. I'd be willing to wager that you are correct. There were hundreds of different specs on these engines for even the same hp model. JD and Cubs come to mind, and the blocks weren't even the same on those. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,111 #70 Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Last pics for this one. I hoped to find a clump of carbon or something binding a valve, but nothing. Seats are good, valves have full travel. So I cleaned the carbon, put on a new gasket, and shut her back up. If it blows up due to the tick, we'll rebuild it next year. Balance gears can no longer contribute to the equation, so that is that. Before and after on the noggin below. Didn't mean to scratch the piston face up so much... The oily residue on top of the piston was leftover winterizing from my FIL. Edited December 3, 2021 by kpinnc 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkys toy 76 #71 Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) On 11/29/2021 at 8:44 AM, pfrederi said: Got to save my back for future use Edited December 5, 2021 by sparkys toy Added text Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkys toy 76 #72 Posted December 5, 2021 built this out of scrap unistrut it got for free and 100 dollar dear winch from cabelas works great 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killroy 35 #73 Posted December 8, 2021 So back to counter gears does a 73 16hp k series have them ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregor 4,846 #74 Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, killroy said: So back to counter gears does a 73 16hp k series have them ? Do you have a complete Model number, and spec # ? Someone else may know. From the Kohler manual Page 11.11 Page 12 .3 From another forum. Is this motor by chance from a generator? I have a K341 that came out of a genset that never had the bal. gears. They aren't absolutely necessary. Edited December 8, 2021 by Gregor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killroy 35 #75 Posted December 8, 2021 No numbers. Cover is long gone . I don't remember if it had them when I replaced rod 20 years ago. Lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
