More C-125 / K301 questions with photos...

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Most people... myself including... find it easier to crumble the webbing on the balance gear... but... it is all a matter of preference... 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

7 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

On a 301 apparently it will clear.

I certainly hope so buddy. BUT, I will say, I have seen some cases where they don't. It isn't a big deal, and it is certainly something that you can overcome. 

 

Don

[kpinnc 12,027]

10 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

As well, the machining on the crankshaft that I spoke of above may indeed allow you to remove the top gear without too much trouble.

 

However, you may not know until you open it up. Then, you must have a second plan of action.

 

I will admit that driving out the pin requires further disassembly in the fact that the PTO pulley may have to be removed, and that can be easy or can be an absolute nightmare if it has red welded over time.

 

The thin side of the balance gear should snap pretty easy. My previous comment about cast iron pieces was speculative, because I haven't done it that way myself. 

 

Getting that top snap ring out is harder than any of the other options mentioned here!

 

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by kpinnc

[Snoopy11 5,714]

Just now, kpinnc said:

The thin side of the balance gear should snap pretty easy.

One little whack with a chisel and hammer! 

 

Don

[Handy Don 12,218]

Dumb question time.

Are balance gears unique to the K301, 321 and 341 or were they in the smaller engines as well (e.g. 191, 181)?

Edited December 22, 2021 by Handy Don

[kpinnc 12,027]

2 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Dumb question time.

Are balance gears unique to the K301, 321 and 341 or were they in the smaller engines as well (e.g. 191, 181)?

 

Not a dumb question. I don't think anything 10hp or less had them. I rebuilt my Mag10 about 20 years back, and it didn't have them. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by kpinnc

[stevasaurus 22,738]

@Snoopy11 , I think it would be better for you to not be so antagonistic with some of your comments.  

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

14 hours ago, Snoopy11 said:

I certainly hope so buddy. BUT, I will say, I have seen some cases where they don't. It isn't a big deal, and it is certainly something that you can overcome. 

 

Don

 

Yeah... Now I don't know.  The link Squonk posted says they can be gotten out of the 301 without breaking by rotating the crank to the right position.

The link you posted seemed to indicate that it is not possible, he says he had to break his.

 

Oh well, whatever... no clear answer on this one.  I'm just gonna do whatever is necessary and stop posting about it.

I might post my results though.

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

I need to double check myself before I order an oil pan gasket.  I think I need the first one.  Can someone please confirm?  Thanks!

 

 

[Snoopy11 5,714]

4 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

@Snoopy11 , I think it would be better for you to not be so antagonistic with some of your comments.  

Sir yes sir. 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

On 12/22/2021 at 3:47 PM, Jeff-C175 said:

I need to double check myself before I order an oil pan gasket.  I think I need the first one.  Can someone please confirm?  Thanks!

Depends on if you have a wide or narrow base block:

 

 

 

 

Don

Edited December 31, 2021 by Snoopy11

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

8 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

Depends on if you have a wide or narrow base block:

 

 

Don

 

Oh, dats EZ to check!  Thank you sir!  may I have another?

 

Definitely NARROW BASE.

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Snoopy11 5,714]

8 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Definitely NARROW BASE

In... dat case, to clarify, the appropriate gasket would be:

 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,714]

4 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

post my results

With...eh...

 

 

 

???

 

Don

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

2 hours ago, Snoopy11 said:

With...eh...

 

 

 

???

 

Don

 

Why yes!  Of course!  But it may not be for a while yet, starting to get chilly in the shop.

MIGHT wait until spring.

I did order the gaskets though!

So, knowing me, I'll rip into it as soon as the gaskets get here.

 

[Snoopy11 5,714]

7 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

So, knowing me, I'll rip into it as soon as the gaskets get here.

Uh... yeah... well... you know you won't sleep until you do... 

 

9 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

starting to get chilly in the shop

You need some heated gloves...

 

 

And heated jacket...

 

 

And... heated pants...

 

 

They make heated underwear too... 

 

Don

[Gregor 4,846]

32 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

starting to get chilly in the shop.

Wonderful gadgets these things.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Gregor said:

Wonderful gadgets these things.

 

I've got one of these (but it's older and doesn't have the 'nanny state' parrot cage around it.  I can put a teapot on top.

 

 

But Kero ain't cheap anymore, and at best it takes the chill off but I have to run it for at least three hours before I think of working in there.

My shop / garage is not built in such a way that's it's conducive to heating, and RETAINING, that heat.

It's more like an open campfire outdoors.  VERY NOT airtight!

 

OH... did I mention that we don't have natural gas available?

 

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[pfrederi 17,739]

20 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

 

 

But Kero ain't cheap anymore, and at best it takes the chill off but I have to run it for at least three hours before I think of working in there.

My shop / garage is not built in such a way that's it's conducive to heating, and RETAINING, that heat.

It's more like an open campfire outdoors.  VERY NOT airtight!

 

OH... did I mention that we don't have natural gas available?

 

 

 

 

Got that... I am in the middle of Marcellus shale gas  i can see a few pads from my front yard and there are 11 wells on the next property... I burn coal  no gas it is all piped out...

[Handy Don 12,218]

12 hours ago, pfrederi said:

 

 

Got that... I am in the middle of Marcellus shale gas  i can see a few pads from my front yard and there are 11 wells on the next property... I burn coal  no gas it is all piped out...

I visited the northwest part of PA (Warren and Bradford) a while ago and was amazed at the number of oil and gas pumping platforms.

I'm pretty sure that some of that gas is heating my house.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

14 hours ago, pfrederi said:

middle of Marcellus shale gas

 

Why not sink your own well Paul?  FREE GAS!  and sell what you don't use.  

 

Have you ever been able to ignite the water coming out of your faucet?  (maybe you're not on a private well though...)

 

Seen some videos of that, pretty freaky.

 

[pfrederi 17,739]

Don't think any of the WHs can operate a drill rig that can go down 5,500 feet...

[squonk 41,108]

I don't know about PA, but NY gas from the same Marcellus shale is a mixture of many gases that need to be separated for safety and efficiency. There are a few wells about a mile from me where the landowners were able to get a limited amount. They had issues with the equipment that burned the gas like sooting, premature rusting ect. This was like 20 years ago. don't know if they are still trying to use the gas for them selves or not.

[pfrederi 17,739]

2 hours ago, squonk said:

I don't know about PA, but NY gas from the same Marcellus shale is a mixture of many gases that need to be separated for safety and efficiency. There are a few wells about a mile from me where the landowners were able to get a limited amount. They had issues with the equipment that burned the gas like sooting, premature rusting ect. This was like 20 years ago. don't know if they are still trying to use the gas for them selves or not.

Eastern marcellus gas is pretty dry (just methane) Western has other elements ethane etc (aka Wet gas why Shell is building a muti-Billion dollar cracker out there)  20 years ago gas was shallow not marcellus  which is 5-6000 ft down

[squonk 41,108]

We're right on the edge of the Marcellus area or at least that's what I was told by a farmer who has a couple of wells on his property.