Mustang67ford 234 #1 Posted November 6, 2021 Just got a 414-8 with a k321s. I typically close the fuel off while equipment is running and let it shut off on its own so no fuel setting in the system. Is that ok to do with this moror or can that cause furl pump damage? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #2 Posted November 6, 2021 If it's going to be sitting, I shut off the fuel and run dry all my equipment then fil up the fuel tank because of how hydroscopic ethanol fuel is these days. Running it dry keeps the bowl clean and filling the tank removes room for condensation in the tank. For long term storage, I drain the tank and run everything dry while fogging the carbs. If I use it regularly, petcock stays on. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,765 #3 Posted November 6, 2021 No reason to run out the gas if you are using the horse every week or so...only for storage. Just thinking about it, you might do more harm then good running it dry every time. That means air in the system and things drying out (gaskets). 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #4 Posted November 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, Mustang67ford said: Just got a 414-8 with a k321s. I typically close the fuel off while equipment is running and let it shut off on its own so no fuel setting in the system. Is that ok to do with this moror or can that cause furl pump damage? Thanks I think it all depends on how long it sits... If you are talking... like... a couple of days before you use it again... no, you don't need to do that. If you mean for long term storage... less than a year ...sounds like you may need to invest in some Stabil, aye @peter lena...? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #5 Posted November 6, 2021 Oh, and to your question, yes excessively... it is bad for the fuel pump... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #6 Posted November 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, Mustang67ford said: I typically close the fuel off while equipment is running But you are not saying that you run it completely out of fuel, rather, you are saying that you close the fuel valve... There is no reason to do that... if you do not run it completely out of fuel (including emptying the fuel tank)... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mustang67ford 234 #7 Posted November 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: But you are not saying that you run it completely out of fuel, rather, you are saying that you close the fuel valve... There is no reason to do that... if you do not run it completely out of fuel (including emptying the fuel tank)... Don Yes, completley out of fuel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #8 Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: But you are not saying that you run it completely out of fuel, rather, you are saying that you close the fuel valve... There is no reason to do that... if you do not run it completely out of fuel (including emptying the fuel tank)... Don I have to disagree with you on that, only because I found a particular circumstance where that's necessary. My generator sits in a damp area of my backyard. It's used 3-6 times a year. If I dry it out every time I'm done, it's a hassle and not ready for the next power outage. If I leave the fuel on, the bowl will gel up in as little as 2 months. I've found that closing the petcock, and running it until it stalls and then fill the tank all the way is the best bargain between the two. It never gels up even after 6 months, no room for water in the fuel tank and it's always ready to go on one or two pulls. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mustang67ford 234 #9 Posted November 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: Oh, and to your question, yes excessively... it is bad for the fuel pump... Don Thanks, that is what I was wondering. I do run ethanol free fuel. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #10 Posted November 6, 2021 I wish I could get that for a decent price around these parts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mustang67ford 234 #11 Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, echris said: I wish I could get that for a decent price around these parts. Well, cant say its a descent price, but i know what happens if you dont use it. I think of it as pay now or pay and suffer later. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #12 Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, echris said: I have to disagree with you on that, only because I found a particular circumstance where that's necessary. My generator sits in a damp area of my backyard. It's used 3-6 times a year. If I dry it out every time I'm done, it's a hassle and not ready for the next power outage. If I leave the fuel on, the bowl will gel up in as little as 2 months. I've found that closing the petcock, and running it until it stalls and then fill the tank all the way is the best bargain between the two. It never gels up even after 6 months, no room for water in the fuel tank and it's always ready to go on one or two pulls. I understand where you are coming from, buddy. I think the amount of time between starts really matters in determining what needs to be done. I will say, even with a full tank, after 6 months... the fuel will still be stale. Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #13 Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Mustang67ford said: Well, cant say its a descent price, but i know what happens if you dont use it. I think of it as pay now or pay and suffer later. My brother had a boat in a marina when the introduced that crap. The next spring nearly every boat needed a complete fuel system overhaul, tanks included. Talk about an angry mob! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #14 Posted November 6, 2021 i.e... after 3-6 months... it looses combustibility anyway... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #15 Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mustang67ford said: I do run ETHANOL FREE FUEL. Excellent choice. I'm gonna throw a monkey wrench in the works here. We have 5 Horses. 2 or 3 get used only once or twice a year. We have a push mower, walk behind snowblower, several chainsaws, a chipper shredder etc. If we're going to use something within 3 to 6 months AND it doesn't leak fuel, we don't drain the carb. If it's a machine with limited or seasonal use we run out the carb. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #16 Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Snoopy11 said: even with a full tank, after 6 months... the fuel will still be stale You mean with corn alcohol right? Not ethanol free? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #17 Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, Snoopy11 said: i.e... after 3-6 months... it looses combustibility anyway... Don It's the float bowl I'm talking about. Seems to gel up quick on the generator because of the damp location. I suppose I could remedy that instead. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #18 Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: You mean with corn alcohol right? Not ethanol free? Yep... On the money, there Eric. Ethanol free lasts a little longer... I have heard... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #19 Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, echris said: It's the float bowl I'm talking about. Seems to gel up quick on the generator because of the damp location. I suppose I could remedy that instead. Oh, I know what you mean. I have 3 generators... one in the shop, one on the trailer, and 1 at the house... Each one of them has fuel issues every year... no matter what I do... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #20 Posted November 6, 2021 I have tried the Stabil stuff in the past... when it was somewhat cheaper... and that worked great! Just... since fuel has gotten so... UH... pricey... buying additional products to blend is less appealing Plus... I have to run premium in all my equipment anyway... which is REALLY expensive... Not to mention filling up the truck... WHAT A BILL!!! Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,237 #21 Posted November 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, echris said: I have to disagree with you on that, only because I found a particular circumstance where that's necessary. My generator sits in a damp area of my backyard. It's used 3-6 times a year. If I dry it out every time I'm done, it's a hassle and not ready for the next power outage. If I leave the fuel on, the bowl will gel up in as little as 2 months. I've found that closing the petcock, and running it until it stalls and then fill the tank all the way is the best bargain between the two. It never gels up even after 6 months, no room for water in the fuel tank and it's always ready to go on one or two pulls. Exactly what I do. Plus, since it's a B&S Vanguard, I can open the petcock on the carb bowl for a minute to be sure its empty there--I pour whatever comes out into the gas tank before topping it up. (Plus, that 6 gallons is a backup I can siphon out if I need mower gas and don't want to make a station run!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,671 #22 Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: Yep... On the money, there Eric. Ethanol free lasts a little longer... I have heard... Don I've used E free gas that's over a year old and was perfectly fine. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #23 Posted November 6, 2021 I dunno if you saw the post I made here a while ago about the BS trailer hitch I made for my little 5500 watt generator, but I only made it because the generator sits in the backyard, as far away as possible from my shop, so I never serviced it. During one storm, it's raining cats and dogs and wind whipping and I'm out there troubleshooting a spark issue. No more. lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
echris 1,425 #24 Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, ebinmaine said: I've used E free gas that's over a year old and was perfectly fine. How much of a premium do you pay for it in your neck of the woods? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #25 Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, ebinmaine said: I've used E free gas that's over a year old and was perfectly fine. Interesting! Wonder if I could find some around here? Probably be even more expensive... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
