My "Junque Shop"

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

I was working on the garage door in the junque shop tonight, new cables, springs, pulleys, rollers... basically a total rebuild.  It's a big azz heavy wooden door.  I even cleaned the windows.  They look like 'meers'.  It's dark as a dungeon out there!

 

 

I thought it was an interesting photo... that's all! 

 

[ri702bill 8,350]

A garage door inside a garage??  That door rolls up towards you.......??

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,344]

1 hour ago, ri702bill said:

A garage door inside a garage??  That door rolls up towards you.......??

Bill, that’s a pic from inside the garage and what you see in the windows is a reflection of what’s inside the garage. 

[ri702bill 8,350]

Mike:

Got it  - that makes Jeff a Grade AA window cleaner for sure!!

I HAVE in the past seen a business where there was a seperate room inside with a roll up door - loading dock was behind it, unheated and no AC - the workshop inside had both.

Bill

[squonk 41,161]

1 hour ago, Sparky said:

Bill, that’s a pic from inside the garage and what you see in the windows is a reflection of what’s inside the garage. 

If it isn't there's a mannequin inside with it's arm up holding a phone! 

Edited November 4, 2021 by squonk

[Handy Don 12,237]

10 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

new cables, springs, pulleys, rollers... basically a total rebuild

Important task.

I highly recommend including safety cables if your door is balanced by tension springs (securely anchored at both ends and threaded through the spring). I've had both springs and lift cables break over the years and the safety cables have prevented serious damage to vehicles and people.

I also use a marker to note the date of spring and cable replacements (as well as their specs) right on the roller track so I'll remember to examine and replace after 5 years or so.

[ri702bill 8,350]

Good point Don.

Had one end break off on one extension spring years ago - but it was OK  - it spanked the roof of the wife's car!!! What a PIA to lift that door with only one spring!!

Been using the safety cables since - had one let go just a while back - no issues, worked as intended. Good advise from you, as usual.

Bill

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Handy Don said:

Important task.

 

It sure is!

 

When I was a sprout we were watching TV one eve and a spring let go in the garage.  The spring came through two layers of sheetrock.  Not all the way, about 2" of the spring was poking out into the LR just a few feet above our heads!  Could have turned out a lot worse!

 

This is a BIG  door!  180 pounds.  9' x 8'.

 

The PO strung it with 1/8" cable which is way too small for this door.  I used 3/16".  I bought 40' of cable which is enough for the two lift cables and safety cables.

 

I only use the springs with the "clipped ends" anymore instead of the bent over end because that's where they always break.

 

When running the safety cables make sure to run it through the loop of the spring to capture that piece in case it breaks.

 

I also don't pull the springs terribly tight.  I don't mind using a little extra muscle to open the door, but one does need to be careful the door doesn't 'get away' from you when closing it!!!!  Watch your toes!!!

 

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[squonk 41,161]

I worked at a Chrysler dealer years ago. Big giant OH door. Every once in a while it would come off the rail and twist busting all the windows. Door Co. would come fix it but it would happen again. One day I was driving in and was half way into my stall and as the door was closing I hear a crash. Looked into the rear view mirror and I see glass falling everywhere. We used to joke that the door was built with left over K car parts! 

[Handy Don 12,237]

58 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

The PO strung it with 1/8" cable which is way too small for this door.  I used 3/16".  I bought 40' of cable which is enough for the two lift cables and safety cables

The first one that let go bent the angle iron door/spring support to a degree I choose to replace it too. So not surprised at the sheetrock penetration. LOTS of power in those things!

I also upgraded to 3/16" for my 7x17 metal door. Safe bend radius is longer so I had to swap the frame-mounted pulleys to larger diameter ones. The spring mounted ones were ok.

Yes, I too, prefer the "clip in" end pieces on the springs (there is a place in Yonkers, NY that will make springs to order while you wait, with an appointment).

I have an electric opener (yeah, totally spoiled) but I still balance it with a bathroom scale to a weight I can handle when the power fails!

[tunahead72 2,424]

12 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

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Are those speakers I spy in the top left of this photo?

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

6 hours ago, tunahead72 said:

Are those speakers I spy in the top left of this photo?

 

It looks sorta like the "New Advents" don't it?  No... actually that's a stud wall with sheetrock on the other side... that small box thingy is an electric outlet for my saw on the other side of the wall, there's another shop there.

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[echris 1,425]

19 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

I was working on the garage door in the junque shop tonight, new cables, springs, pulleys, rollers... basically a total rebuild.  It's a big azz heavy wooden door.  I even cleaned the windows.  They look like 'meers'.  It's dark as a dungeon out there!

 

 

I thought it was an interesting photo... that's all! 

 

I have old wooden doors like yours. Mine are smaller 7' but look like the same construction and identical latch.

In the 20+ years I've lived here, I've considered installing some nice new doors now and again, but then I correct myself.
I have nice doors. I just need to paint them and maintain the hardware.

Old good. New bad. 

(That's probably why I have that 70's oven I posted the other day with the accompanying 70's range, and a 1950's American Standard oil fired hot water furnace, and an '89   for my daily driver etc etc.) 

Every time I think about replacing one of those old-timers, I realize, had I replaced it 5-10 years ago, I'd likely be looking at replacing it again. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

23 minutes ago, echris said:

Old good. New bad

 

You and I have the same mindset!

 

I love that old Tappan!

 

The A/C unit in my shop is a 1954 ITT Coolerator that I just this year rewired and it still works perfectly! You can see the 'outside' part peeking over the top of the 87 VW hood in the second window from the left. ( You'll need to zoom in! )

 

Seven years ago I did replace the 50 year old heating boiler though... and my yearly oil bill was cut nearly in half, so some newer things are in fact worthwhile.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

Today I scraped old paint and got the first coat of primer on the bottom panel.  I'm glad I waited 25 years to do so because all the old paint just about fell off!

 

 

[echris 1,425]

12 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

You and I have the same mindset!

 

I love that old Tappan!

 

The A/C unit in my shop is a 1954 ITT Coolerator that I just this year rewired and it still works perfectly!

 

Seven years ago I did replace the 50 year old heating boiler though... and my yearly oil bill was cut nearly in half, so some newer things are in fact worthwhile.

1954! You've got me beat on that one. I have early 80's central air in my house that I've repaired on my own twice because not even my friend who's an HVAC guy would touch it.

First time, the main power feed to the compressor melted the insulation away. I found the studs for the power feeds on the compressor has rusted mostly away.
I had enough material left to crimp and solder a Thomas&Betts ring lug and repair the feed lines. She's run fine since.

Until this summer, the fan motor died on the condensing unit. My brother has been in HVAC for about 30 years. He found a "close enough" motor in the junk pile at work. Brand new, motor mount tabs were bent.
A few trips around the drill press, lathe and belt sander to make some modified mounts and I mounted the wrong motor, wired her up and she's worked all summer.

Grand total spent on my ancient AC in 21 years, maybe 30 bucks. The crazy thing is I don't even really notice it on my electric bill either.

Edited November 5, 2021 by echris

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

7 minutes ago, echris said:

1954

 

My FIL installed it when he built the additional garage bay around 1960.  I'm sure he got it for free or in trade for some plumbing/heating work.

 

Yup, your keeping that old AC working is exactly what I would do too!

 

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

48 minutes ago, echris said:

smaller 7

 

The other three doors are all 7 footers.  I rebuilt those last year.  The bottom panel of one was rotted beyond repair so I built a new panel instead of replacing the door.

 

Problem is that if I did replace one I would have to do them all because it would be mismatched and look like 5h1t.

 

 

 

 

[tunahead72 2,424]

2 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

It looks sorta like the "New Advents" don't it?  No... actually that's a stud wall with sheetrock on the other side... that small box thingy is an electric outlet for my saw on the other side of the wall, there's another shop there.

 

 

 

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, or old KLH's.  So that box ISN'T where you connect the speaker wire?  Pity. 

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

11 minutes ago, tunahead72 said:

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, or old KLH's.  So that box ISN'T where you connect the speaker wire?  Pity. 

 

 

Just on the other side of that wall is my ' listening room ' with the old Lafayette receiver.

 

In the house I've got a surround sound system and the front speakers are Advents.  The center is an MTM that I built and the rears are Radio Shack bookshelf boxes with better drivers and home built crossovers.  The sub is a 12" Dayton driver in a home built down firing cabinet.  All driven by a late 90s Sony receiver except the sub.  That's a 200W class D amp.  I'm a regular customer at Parts Express! I've designed and built dozens of speaker systems...

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

Almost finished with the rebuild...  the ends of the tracks were nailed to some hokey 2x4s and the nails were pulling loose.  I replaced all those with glued and screwed parts.  And realigned the out of square tracks.

 

I ended up taking the top two panels off and laying them flat on sawhorses to work on them...  the window panel was mounted with the wrong side facing out, so I flipped it over.  The pieces of trim that hold the glass into the door go on the INSIDE!  Not the outside!

 

I noticed that these two hinges were UPSIDE DOWN!  There's even an ARROW on the hinge indicating UP ! 

Some people just can't read directions I guess!

The 'axle' of the hinge is supposed to be in-line with the seam of the door!   With them mounted incorrectly the 'hinge axle' is about 1/2" below the door seam and the door gets 'bent' when it is opened.  Not a big deal, but it's corrected now. The next one down was correct.  Two out of three ain't bad!

 

She opens and closes like butter now!  Smooth and quiet and no fear of the door falling or spring/cable breaking.

 

Two coats of primer applied.  That wood was so dry it took about a HALF GALLON of primer!  After the first coat it almost didn't look like it had been painted it soaked in so muchI  f the weather stays warm enough I should be able to get the topcoat done this week.

 

On to the next project!  whatever that turns out to be...  three months into retirement and my list of projects is almost done!  I've gotten more done around here in three months than I had in the previous decade!  

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Stormin 9,981]

Don't have any problems with springs, tracks etc with my workshop doors. Basically four doors. Box section frames and  galvanized panels. You can have either of the centre ones open or both. Or two on one side or all four.

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Stormin said:

either

 

Very cool that your WH gets to sleep with a late 70s Spitfire!  How's she run? (The Triumph)

[Stormin 9,981]

Those photo's were taken about 5yrs ago. Spitfire was sold a few years back. Four WH's occupy the space now.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

18 minutes ago, Stormin said:

Those photo's were taken about 5yrs ago. Spitfire was sold a few years back. Four WH's occupy the space now.

 

Sad for the SF, happy for the WHs !