Jeff-C175 7,202 #1 Posted November 1, 2021 I'm amazed at how much easier the 125 steers. Less weight on the front due to smaller engine perhaps? Or is it the tri-ribs? I'm going to have to learn about the K301 now... there is a 'knock' or 'rattle' from the engine. I really doubt it's piston slap, or bearings... but what I'm wondering about is the infamous balance gears. What does that issue actually sound like I wonder? Is removing the balance gears as easy as pulling the engine, dropping the pan, and removing the gears? Or is it more involved than that? I'm going to use the search function to see what I can find, but if anyone has any helpful pointers, it would be much appreciated! @Tach-a-matic Thank you again Paul !! 5 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,759 #2 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said: Is removing the balance gears as easy as pulling the engine, dropping the pan, and removing the gears? Or is it more involved than that? @Jeff-C175Yes sort of. I recently removed the balance gears from a K301. A good snap ring pliers with a set of 90 deg points is a must. One gear came right out, the other I just could not get off the shaft due to hitting the crankshaft counterweight. Seems I've read it should come out, but not for me! I took a sharp cold chisel and gave it a sharp rap on the thinner part of the gear with a 2lb hammer. The cast iron gear split just as I had hoped and it came right out. Just make sure you get all the pieces and shins out. It a good opportunity to clean/flush out the engine with some paint thinner Edited November 1, 2021 by oliver2-44 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,601 #3 Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said: Less weight on the front due to smaller engine perhaps? Or is it the tri-ribs? Adding tri-ribs is a lot like adding power steering. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OutdoorEnvy 1,522 #4 Posted November 1, 2021 Good grab Jeff! That looked like a clean machine. You'll get that engine issue sorted out soon enough and have nice user for sure. Looking forward to how the repair comes a long! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,666 #5 Posted November 1, 2021 I busted my balance gears off and left the bearing on one that is hard to get to. Didn't remove anything else to get them out. Clean all the pieces out and put it back together. Mine was a 12HP magnum. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #6 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) I pulled the PTO bell this evening and ran it for a bit and I didn't hear quite as much of the 'rattle'. The outer bearing wasn't terribly smooth rolling so I knocked it out and popped a seal. It was a bit rusty and dried up old grease. Cleaned it up with some naphtha, blew it dry and put some of Pete's favorite in. It's better but I'm going to replace it soon. The roller bearing seemed OK at first but when I was wiping out the old dried grease one of the rollers fell out! I glued it back in wth some fresh grease and reinstalled it but it will also be replaced. It was late so I didn't run it again yet, will do in the morning. I'm hoping that the PTO bearings are the source of the noise. Edited November 1, 2021 by Jeff-C175 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,600 #7 Posted November 1, 2021 Nice! Love the Black Hoods!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuneup 1,433 #8 Posted November 1, 2021 C'mon Jeff, the first thing to be done with any new tractor acquisition is to take it apart. You have to 'get to know' that K301. Right now, it's a mystery to be solved so dig in! The C-125 was my first WH and my favorite. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #9 Posted November 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Tuneup said: take it apart I usually do! I'm gonna 'shake it down' for a while though. I also happen to have a B&S 16 HP twin of the correct spec which could be swapped in, but I'd have to sacrifice the pressure washer it's on. I think I'd like to keep the 12 though as I really like the sound! There are a few other minor things that I need to address so I'll do that first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,634 #10 Posted November 1, 2021 @ JEFF -C175, sounds like that steering issue is a neglected lubrication area, that dried out stiff grease is telling you every area , should be verified and detailed for lube. that steering " FAN " is also a regularly missed spot and related vertical mount areas. that cone needle bearing , probably never serviced , regularly go over anything for a status check. don,t wait for a failure to repair it , regular scans find issues. your shake down time will let you find ,stuff that's ready to fail . related linkage to that pto drive point will show you the way . once i found a cure to an issue , duplicated it on my other 2 horses , good luck , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #11 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, peter lena said: steering issue No issue with the steering Pete. My 175 is all clean and lubed up well, it's just that it's not as easy as the 125. The 175 has turf tires. The 125 has tri-ribs and they have a much smaller contact patch and steer much easier. But yes, you are correct! I'll be going over every inch with grease and oil in hand! @Snoopy11 Edited November 1, 2021 by Jeff-C175 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #12 Posted November 1, 2021 13 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said: Or is it the tri-ribs? 11 hours ago, Achto said: Adding tri-ribs is a lot like adding power steering. And those look like the $$ Firestones... those the only contact patch on hard ground is the center strip. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #13 Posted November 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Firestones Good eye! Yes they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #14 Posted November 1, 2021 Anybody know the torque spec on the clutch plate bolts? They were not tight enough and I went to 15 ft lb. Being smaller bolts I didn't want to risk 20. Is 15 OK for those? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #15 Posted November 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said: lubed up well I just got online... laughing before I even really get started!!! So now you have a second C-series, there Jeff! Good going! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #16 Posted November 1, 2021 You feeling depressed there, @peter lena...? You didn't mention lucas x tra heavy duty polyurea chassis grease...? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,634 #17 Posted November 1, 2021 @Snoopy11 no not depressed , but the push back I get on a lubrication recommendation is not hyper boil , and it seams to irritate people . often think , why bother?. after almost 40 years with horses , think i have an idea of what works . every time i see a rusty neglected anything , i marvel how you can do that. but that grease is the best that i have ever used , it stands up to anything , so why not ? pete 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #18 Posted November 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, peter lena said: @Snoopy11 no not depressed , but the push back I get on a lubrication recommendation is not hyper boil , and it seams to irritate people . often think , why bother?. after almost 40 years with horses , think i have an idea of what works . every time i see a rusty neglected anything , i marvel how you can do that. but that grease is the best that i have ever used , it stands up to anything , so why not ? pete I was wondering there buddy! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,600 #19 Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, peter lena said: @Snoopy11 no not depressed , but the push back I get on a lubrication recommendation is not hyper boil , and it seams to irritate people . often think , why bother?. after almost 40 years with horses , think i have an idea of what works . every time i see a rusty neglected anything , i marvel how you can do that. but that grease is the best that i have ever used , it stands up to anything , so why not ? pete Pushback? Yikes! I find your consistent lube reminders not only refreshing but spot on… keep it up. I follow your advice and have yet to go wrong… These old tractors need all the lube they can get!!! 4 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #20 Posted November 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: Pushback? Yikes! I find your consistent lube reminders not only refreshing but spot on… keep it up. I follow your advice and have yet to go wrong… These old tractors need all the lube they can get!!! MONEY!!! to those who don't like it... I will go out and lube my spindles just for the hell of it now. Don 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #21 Posted November 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: These old tractors need all the lube they can get!!! @Jeff-C175 knows 'bout that... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #22 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said: Anybody know the torque spec on the clutch plate bolt Whatever the standard is for a mild steel 1/4-20 bolt Jeff ... some where around 30 in-lbs if I remember right... yep right around there Edited November 1, 2021 by WHX?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #23 Posted November 2, 2021 6 hours ago, WHX?? said: some where around 30 in-lbs That's barely hand tight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,828 #24 Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Charts ain't suposed to lie tho Jeff... might want to check a few others ...that one was from Fastenal but I find they vary. Tons of them out ther in googleland. In other words the engineers as in AMSE or ASHRAE have no idea! Like the Hosen says tho tighten it till it snaps off then back off a 1/4 turn! Edited November 2, 2021 by WHX?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,202 #25 Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, WHX?? said: Charts ain't suposed to lie tho... might want to check a few others ...that one was from Fastenal but I find they vary. In other words the engineers as in AMSE or ASHRAE have no idea! Like the Hosen says tho tighten it till it snaps off then back off a 1/4 turn! I didn't look at the heads to see the grade marks, but I'll do that tomorrow. I would like to think that they would have used at least grade 5. I need to research that "ecoguard" and K number too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
