Snoopy11 5,714 #1 Posted October 18, 2021 Hey guys, SO... yesterday I was out doing work with HellHorse... moving trees... pulling out roots and stumps... etc. ANYWAY... so I am going down the path, and I notice that it feels weird... kinda bogging down a little... just doesn't feel right. So I get off, look underneath, and low and behold... a GIANT strand of barbed wire has made its way in between the transmission housing and hub. No damage to hub or the shaft... but it ripped out the main seal, and shaved a couple MM off the transmission housing. I was able to put a new oil seal in it... although it sticks out just a tiny bit more than it did originally. You guys got any thoughts on this? I ran it for a while after the event, seems to be running fine... no transmission leaks. The only noticeable thing is that the transmission housing right where the oil seal goes in is a bit shorter than it was. That wire shaved down the trans housing... @stevasaurus, @ebinmaine, @kpinnc... you guys thoughts on this? Don 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #2 Posted October 18, 2021 Oh... let me also add... uh... that piece of barbed wire was not mine... it was the neighbor's wire... (not saying it was done intentionally... but...)... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,764 #3 Posted October 18, 2021 Off the top, if it is not leaking, I would say just keep an eye on it. Bit of trivia...barbed wire was invented in DeKalb, Illinois...about 20 miles west of Elgin. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #4 Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, stevasaurus said: if it is not leaking, I would say just keep an eye on it. I am not worthy... 1 minute ago, stevasaurus said: barbed wire was invented in DeKalb, Illinois...about 20 miles west of Elgin. The only thing I got for that is... Don 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,634 #5 Posted October 18, 2021 @Snoopy11 only thing i can recommend is to keep a set of bolt cutters on that horse , as said just keep an eye on it , had vines just about stop my horse , in a brush clean up , went back at it with the blade , and saw, got even with it , pete 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #6 Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, peter lena said: @Snoopy11 only thing i can recommend is to keep a set of bolt cutters on that horse , as said just keep an eye on it , had vines just about stop my horse , in a brush clean up , went back at it with the blade , and saw, got even with it , pete Thanks Pete, I appreciate your input. Yeah, between today and yesterday... been doing a lot of work... can't afford for the Horse to go down... I'll be showing you guys what I've been doing in the main forum soon... Don 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,150 #7 Posted October 18, 2021 I got my foot caught on barbed wire whilst 3 wheeling 35 years ago. It's still not leaking. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #8 Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, squonk said: I got my foot caught on barbed wire whilst 3 wheeling 35 years ago. It's still not leaking. @squonk... you just turned a 'so-so' day into something much lighter. I needed a good laugh! Thank-you! Don 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roadapples 6,983 #9 Posted October 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, squonk said: I got my foot caught on barbed wire whilst 3 wheeling 35 years ago. It's still not leaking. Better check, you might be a quart low... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #10 Posted October 18, 2021 knowing @squonk... he might still be 1 quart over full... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #11 Posted October 18, 2021 I will say though, guys... after a full day of working the horse hard... no leaking... no issues whatsoever... I think I might have caught it in time... One thing is for sure though... that CAN NEVER happen again on that right axle-hub. All barbed wire be stricken... 54 lashes on my part for not feeling something wrong immediately when it happened... I'll let you guess what I chose the number 54... @stevasaurus is rubbing off on me... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R Scheer 502 #12 Posted October 19, 2021 You're planning on owning 54 wheelhorses? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,087 #13 Posted October 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Snoopy11 said: @stevasaurus, @ebinmaine, @kpinnc... you guys thoughts on this? Sounds like the wire ground away quite a bit of material. Most of my trannies have about 1/2 inch of space for the axle seal. You can almost put two seals in there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #14 Posted October 19, 2021 14 hours ago, R Scheer said: You're planning on owning 54 wheelhorses? AH-HAH! I wondered who would take the first crack at it! No, not because I plan to own 54 horses! ...although... I wouldn't mind owning 54! Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #15 Posted October 19, 2021 13 hours ago, kpinnc said: Sounds like the wire ground away quite a bit of material. Most of my trannies have about 1/2 inch of space for the axle seal. Yes sir... it did. I would say that it ground out 1/4... It is not leaking... thank God... I think it is fine... just can't ever happen again. I don't know why it would happen again... as this seems like an utter anomaly but... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,087 #16 Posted October 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Snoopy11 said: I think it is fine... just can't ever happen again. I don't know why it would happen again... as this seems like an utter anomaly but... If it happens again, you might have to have a machinist bore it deeper for a seal... Question- do the hubs ride close to the case? Might be worth moving them out 1/4 inch or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #17 Posted October 20, 2021 13 hours ago, kpinnc said: If it happens again, you might have to have a machinist bore it deeper for a seal... Question- do the hubs ride close to the case? Might be worth moving them out 1/4 inch or so. They are close... but I thought the same thing... so I moved it out just a hair... Do you think it is possible to have them machine it out... if so... what has to be done with the bearing, as it is in the way of machining it out... right? Can it be pushed in a little? I took the transmission apart when I resto-modded it, but I did not remove/mess with any bearings, besides to clean them up... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,087 #18 Posted October 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: Do you think it is possible to have them machine it out... if so... what has to be done with the bearing, as it is in the way of machining it out... right? Can it be pushed in a little? I haven't done it myself, but have read several times of folks driving the outer bearings in far enough to put a new set in from the outside. That doesn't prove they are supported if pushed further in, but someone here knows... If the bearings are still tightly supported when pushed farther in, then yes- a machinist should be able to cut the slot for a seal a little deeper. But that is a big if... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #19 Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, kpinnc said: But that is a big if... Yes sir. I mean, honestly, I have the tools to machine it out if I needed to... just not knowledgeable on the bearings. Plus... like you say, I really only need to do that if it starts leaking or it ever happens again... which... hopefully it never does... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,087 #20 Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Snoopy11 said: Plus... like you say, I really only need to do that if it starts leaking or it ever happens again... which... hopefully it never does... I have an "empty" 8 speed and a 4 speed case that was a solid rust ball inside, to the point the gears and bearings were shot. I cleaned the cases and kept them just for such issues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #21 Posted October 20, 2021 I'd like to buy a whole new spare transmission... if I could find one... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,764 #22 Posted October 20, 2021 I was 54 years old for a whole year once upon a time. Snoopy, I have a spare trans...not sure what you are looking for. Actually, I have 2 spares...both rebuilt...I really only need one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #23 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Edited October 20, 2021 by Snoopy11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #24 Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, stevasaurus said: I was 54 years old for a whole year once upon a time. Snoopy, I have a spare trans...not sure what you are looking for. Actually, I have 2 spares...both rebuilt...I really only need one. PM sent, Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #25 Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, stevasaurus said: I was 54 years old for a whole year once upon a time I... haven't ever been 54... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
