What did I just bring home?

[Don E 3]

I know its a Wheel Horse. I know the engine is not the original. I'm new to red tractors. I've had and restored several of the older Sears Suburbans. This one found it's way to me and all the stickers have been painted over. The tires are dry and cracked but the engine and mower deck turn so I'm just wondering...

Any Ideas about what this thing is?

 

and what engine was on it originally?

 

the starter spins if I jump it but doesn't engage the flywheel. ( probably why they quit using it)  any thoughts or help would be appreciated. 

 

I don't really want to just get it running to use it as is. I'd rather restore it or pass it on to someone else that will...

 

Don

Edited October 16, 2021 by Don E
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[Maxwell-8 4,277]

It has a M12 know, had a K-series originally or a tecumsh

It is a short-frame, a 6speed, headlights. for sure a higher-end model

 

50 minutes ago, Don E said:

the starter spins if I jump it but doesn't engage the flywheel. ( probably why they quit using it)  any thoughts or help would be appreciated. 

typical problem here on Kohlers, the gear on the starter is stuck. take the front cover (engine shroud) off and see if the gear moves free on the shaft.(It should move in or out when you turn it) Got away with just some lube on that shaft. 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Maxwell-8

[echris 1,425]

Agreed, when I bought my '89 310, the starter worked but was really noisy. A quick cleaning and a drop or two of light machine oil on the shaft and she's been fine since.

Interesting retrofit of a Magnum to an older Charger?

[squonk 41,162]

Look for an I'D' plate on the panel under the steering wheel. I'm going to say a Raider with a Magnum transplant

Edited October 16, 2021 by squonk

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,345]

It might be a 1967 model 867. This is mine, has the same decals. 

[Don E 3]

8 minutes ago, squonk said:

Look for an I'D' plate on the panel under the steering wheel. I'm going to say a Raider with a Magnum transplant

I've got this. i thought it might be a serial number. is there more information under the paint if i could get it off without damaging what's underneath?

[Don E 3]

10 minutes ago, Sparky said:

It might be a 1967 model 867. This is mine, has the same decals. 

thats a good looking machine! for sure.

mine has different foot boards. but the lift, shifter and dash look the same. 

[squonk 41,162]

Tractor looks like a long frame. Look at the distance comparison to the front wheels to the front of the decks

[Don E 3]

54 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

It has a M12 know, had a K-series originally or a tecumsh

It is a short-frame, a 6speed, headlights. for sure a higher-end model

 

typical problem here on Kohlers, the gear on the starter is stuck. take the front cover (engine shroud) off and see if the gear moves free on the shaft.(It should move in or out when you turn it) Got away with just some lube on that shaft. 

ive got an hh120 for it if that's an option. I'd kind of like it to be a little more like it was originally...

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,050]

Click on the picture in the link

 

[Herder 2,354]

I love that style...  Nothing wrong with having a Franken Horse and Magnums are good running engines.  

[Howie 886]

I was going to say it looks almost like my 69 Raider 12.

[oliver2-44 9,764]

4 hours ago, Don E said:

I've got this. i thought it might be a serial number. is there more information under the paint if i could get it off without damaging what's underneath?

Wet a cloth with lacquer thinner and you can gently wipe that medal plate and decal off

[oliver2-44 9,764]

6 hours ago, Don E said:

I know its a Wheel Horse. I know the engine is not the original. I'm new to red tractors. I've had and restored several of the older Sears Suburbans. This one found it's way to me and all the stickers have been painted over. The tires are dry and cracked but the engine and mower deck turn so I'm just wondering...

Any Ideas about what this thing is?

 

and what engine was on it originally?

 

the starter spins if I jump it but doesn't engage the flywheel. ( probably why they quit using it)  any thoughts or help would be appreciated. 

 

I don't really want to just get it running to use it as is. I'd rather restore it or pass it on to someone else that will...

 

Don

 

There should be a "Name" decal on the metal part under the "six speed" decal, if its still there

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

10 hours ago, squonk said:

Tractor looks like a long frame. Look at the distance comparison to the front wheels to the front of the decks

I said it because in my raider, the kohler M12 looks a lot less cramped in there. 

But haven't seen a short frame in person. very rare over here.

[953 nut 55,325]

        The serial number on your  indicates it is a 1969 Raider Model 1-6041. As usual, @gwest_ca was spot on.  

[squonk 41,162]

14 hours ago, squonk said:

Look for an I'D' plate on the panel under the steering wheel. I'm going to say a Raider with a Magnum transplant

 

23 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

        The serial number on your  indicates it is a 1969 Raider Model 1-6041. As usual, @gwest_ca was spot on.  

 

Me too!  Well I didn't have the year. Days seem like weeks now. 

Edited October 17, 2021 by squonk

[Pullstart 62,919]

  that’s an awesome tractor, the limited slip rearend is a good’n 

[Don E 3]

2 hours ago, 953 nut said:

        The serial number on your  indicates it is a 1969 Raider Model 1-6041. As usual, @gwest_ca was spot on.  

so apparently this is an early Raider 10.

 

( thanks everyone for your resourcefulness)

 

That means it probably had a Techumseh on it right? 

I have one of those😎

 

[RandyLittrell 3,884]

44 minutes ago, Don E said:

so apparently this is an early Raider 10.

 

( thanks everyone for your resourcefulness)

 

That means it probably had a Techumseh on it right? 

I have one of those😎

 

 

I would agree on the early Raider, but I don't think I would put a techy back in there over a good running kohler! 

 

 

 

Randy

[Don E 3]

3 hours ago, RandyLittrell said:

 

I would agree on the early Raider, but I don't think I would put a techy back in there over a good running kohler! 

 

 

 

Randy

Kolher makes a good engine but I dont already have one sitting here... 🤔

 

 

[Don E 3]

16 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

Wet a cloth with lacquer thinner and you can gently wipe that medal plate and decal off

I did just that and confirmed the 1-6041 underneath the red paint.

[Don E 3]

21 hours ago, gwest_ca said:

Click on the picture in the link

 

Thanks for this! 

will make the resto much less frustrating.🍻

[Herder 2,354]

On 10/16/2021 at 4:18 PM, Don E said:

 

 

I don't really want to just get it running to use it as is. I'd rather restore it or pass it on to someone else that will...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I should have started by saying   to   earlier.  A good running magnum may help you to get it passed on to someone or you may like it for yourself.  Just saying.   

[RandyLittrell 3,884]

9 hours ago, Don E said:

Kolher makes a good engine but I dont already have one sitting here... 🤔

 

 

I meant the magnum sitting in it. Doesn't look bad at all in that chassis.

 

 

Randy