Snoopy11 5,714 #1 Posted October 14, 2021 Hey guys, I have a new question for you. So... I want to put tire chains on my HellHorse. The only problem is there is not enough clearance between the agri-fab box frame that runs to my hitch and the tires. So... I am thinking about wheel spacers. I don't want to change rims or anything else on the tractor. The only thing I want to do is bring the wheels out... 1/2-1 inch. I am thinking... maybe getting longer lug bolts, and using some... pvc pipe... just not sure at this time... Thanks for your thoughts and input guys! Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moparfanforever 854 #2 Posted October 14, 2021 Not in my shop to check , but I was thinking the three hole hubs lined up with three holes in a five hole hub ?? If so , maybe use a five hole spacer ?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #3 Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Moparfanforever said: Not in my shop to check , but I was thinking the three hole hubs lined up with three holes in a five hole hub ?? If so , maybe use a five hole spacer ?? If that would work... that would be awesome! I wonder where I would buy something like that? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #4 Posted October 14, 2021 I am kinda looking for something like this... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,741 #5 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moparfanforever said: Not in my shop to check , but I was thinking the three hole hubs lined up with three holes in a five hole hub ?? If so , maybe use a five hole spacer ?? They do not line up not even close. 3" from one hole to the next one. Not sure how you measure 3 hole patterns. \ \ EDIT The bolt holes on a 5 lug QH hub are 2 1/4" form center of axle. Lawn Ranger are 1-3/4" from center of axle... Edited October 14, 2021 by pfrederi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #6 Posted October 14, 2021 5 on 4.5 pattern is what is just on the 5 bolt Wheel Horses. You will need longer bolts if you run spacers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #7 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said: You will need longer bolts if you run spacers. Yes, this I know... just... what spacers? Don Edited October 14, 2021 by Snoopy11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,673 #8 Posted October 14, 2021 I think you need old style jeep spacers 82. 5 mm to get the center hole large enough to fit over the hub.. The center hole in the 5 x 4.5"wheels 3 1/8" or 79.375 mm. Most ford spacers the center hole is 70.5 mm. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACman 7,618 #9 Posted October 14, 2021 If hellhorse still has the stock wheel hubs isn’t the bolt pattern a equilateral triangle ? Yes RJ’s to 753’s ( might be 702 ) had a three bolt hub that uses the common Ford bolt pattern . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #10 Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, ACman said: If hellhorse still has the stock wheel hubs isn’t the bolt pattern a equilateral triangle ? Yes RJ’s to 753’s ( might be 702 ) had a three bolt hub that uses the common Ford bolt pattern . Yes sir, it is a triangle. 3 bolts... Can any of you guys possibly show a picture of what you are talking about when you mention Jeep.. Rj... Ford...etc...? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #11 Posted October 15, 2021 Here is an old picture, just in case you guys need to verify the three bolt triangle... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACman 7,618 #12 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Here’s a 3 bolt and 5 bolt hubs. These hubs share a 5 on 4 1/2” bolt pattern same Dodge and Ford cars .. https://pacifictrailers.com/blogs/boat-trailer-tips-advice/how-to-measure-your-trailers-wheel-bolt-circle-lug-or-bolt-pattern Edited October 15, 2021 by ACman 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #13 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) I wonder how these would work? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA98OUC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A11AMJP7SLFKZ2&psc=1 Don Edited October 15, 2021 by Snoopy11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,673 #14 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ACman said: Here’s a 3 bolt and 5 bolt pattern. These hubs share a 5 on 5 1/2” bolt pattern same as Dodge and older Ford trucks. https://pacifictrailers.com/blogs/boat-trailer-tips-advice/how-to-measure-your-trailers-wheel-bolt-circle-lug-or-bolt-pattern Better get out your rule that hub is 5 on 4,5". The out side of the hub is only 5 3/4" Edited October 15, 2021 by Lee1977 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #15 Posted October 15, 2021 One of my buddies just told me about the above... wheel stud spacers for winter when I have chains on the tractor. Obviously wouldn't be something I would leave on all the time... although ATV nuts supposedly have good luck with them... Whatchya think, guys? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACman 7,618 #16 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) Yea 5 on 4 1/2’ dang fat fingers . Edited October 15, 2021 by ACman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #17 Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, ACman said: fat fingers De fut fongers can git you ein trouble, porticularly whein... you typei a cuss bye accident... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,021 #18 Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Snoopy11 said: I wonder how these would work? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA98OUC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A11AMJP7SLFKZ2&psc=1 Don The retired steel wheel engineer here would not use these. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #19 Posted October 15, 2021 Just so everyone knows... I am asking around at custom shops to see if maybe they might be able to make me a pair of spacers... If no one else has any suggestions for spacers... I might have to go that route... even though it will probably cost me 1 arm and 2 legs... (gotta bargain with the fab shops to keep 1 arm... otherwise I won't be able to put the spacers on...) Inviting some guys input here... @squonk, @ebinmaine, @kpinnc, @Pullhosen’s Pony Express ...you guys got any other ideas? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #20 Posted October 15, 2021 14 hours ago, 8ntruck said: The retired steel wheel engineer here would not use these. I welcome more of your thoughts... if you have anything else that you would like to add here! Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,672 #21 Posted October 15, 2021 14 hours ago, 8ntruck said: The retired steel wheel engineer here would not use these. I concur 15 hours ago, Snoopy11 said: ATV nuts supposedly have good luck with them A lot of ATVs are lighter than a lot of garden tractors although I realize you're hell horse is fairly small. Those type of spacers at that length just don't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Was it me, I would get a stud kit and use appropriately sized half inch thick spacers between the wheel and the hub. Or.... Something along this idea: https://www.titanwheelaccessories.com/products/1-2-flat-wheel-spacers-adapters-5x4-5-wrangler-tj-yj-xj-kj-kk-zj-mj-billet-forged?variant=27947940118551¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwzaSLBhBJEiwAJSRokh6ma9OpcUiQdjWqfM9kDt0W1e63S1iN-5Rj7y-M2UddFNyg10EpMxoCdg4QAvD_BwE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #22 Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, ebinmaine said: I concur A lot of ATVs are lighter than a lot of garden tractors although I realize you're hell horse is fairly small. Those type of spacers at that length just don't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Was it me, I would get a stud kit and use appropriately sized half inch thick spacers between the wheel and the hub. Or.... Something along this idea: https://www.titanwheelaccessories.com/products/1-2-flat-wheel-spacers-adapters-5x4-5-wrangler-tj-yj-xj-kj-kk-zj-mj-billet-forged?variant=27947940118551¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjwzaSLBhBJEiwAJSRokh6ma9OpcUiQdjWqfM9kDt0W1e63S1iN-5Rj7y-M2UddFNyg10EpMxoCdg4QAvD_BwE Wonder if those spacers would be a direct fit... or would need some... drilling... Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #23 Posted October 15, 2021 I did buy some longer 3/8 -24 bolts yesterday as well! So... I am prepared to do... something... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,672 #24 Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: drilling I bet those would be a tad big. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #25 Posted October 15, 2021 When you say: 6 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: appropriately sized half inch thick spacers What exactly are you talking about... like steal... nylon spacers...etc.? Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
