The C-141D Force Horse Build

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

Well, I just picked up another project. This Wheel Horse was converted from a transverse engine to a longitudinal engine by using a 90° gearbox that was $200  as stated by the sticker on it.

The previous owner put a Kohler command in it, therfore he needed to raise the hood and dasboard. I didn't buy the Kohler command as it was a bit to expensive for me. 

I am planning on putting a Kohler KT17 longitudinal on it. A big heavy boxer-motor sticking out on both sides! 

 

Transmission looks good, Hubs aren't loose. Steering is super tight, just like new!I think this unit hasn't see many hours wonderd what happend to the original K-engine.

Next spring maybe repaint both my C's at the same time.

 

[Ifixoldjunk 778]

That’s pretty interesting. I agree that a old opposed engine would look pretty wild. Maybe a smoke stack on each side of the hood? That’ll get some interesting looks at shows.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Ifixoldjunk

[953 nut 55,298]

2 hours ago, Maxwell-8 said:

he needed to raise the hood and dasboard.

                    Looks like he did a first class job on the conversion. The KT will look sweet in there.

[slim67 2,735]

The gearbox is a neat idea. 

[ebinmaine 67,594]

10 minutes ago, slim67 said:

The gearbox is a neat idea. 

Agreed. 

I thought about doing that on one of mine but decided it was too pricey. 

 

@Maxwell-8 Neat project!

 

[Handy Don 12,235]

Saw this thing huffing and puffing and shaking and shimmying at the Zagray Farm show. Yeah, its not a nice color but it took some gumption to marry this hit-and-miss to a tractor!

[Thor27 769]

You got room there for a K582.....  

[ebinmaine 67,594]

3 hours ago, Thor27 said:

You got room there for a K582.....  

Have to raise the hood even more. 

The one I'm using is nearly 4" taller than a 12 HP Kohler single. 

 

@Handy Don That's an awesome rig!

 

[71_Bronco 1,072]

One thing I'd double-check is the rating on the 90 degree gear-box. Would hate to over-power it and ka-boom the internals.

 

Also, out of curiosity, how does the clutching work? It looks to be a 6-speed. Does the white idler pully lower when the pedal is pressed? causing slack on the belt?

[Handy Don 12,235]

2 hours ago, 71_Bronco said:

the rating on the 90 degree gear-box

Excellent thinking!

[bds1984 1,435]

I have one of those 90 degree gear boxes for a 4wd conversion project, the issue could see is the max RPM speed running through the box, not the horsepower.  
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Gear-Reducers-Gearboxes/Gearboxes/1-1-32-HP-RA-Gearbox-Same-Rotation-In-Out-19455-SR-KW-PH-13-1423-S.axd

 

 

[ebinmaine 67,594]

12 minutes ago, bds1984 said:

I have one of those 90 degree gear boxes for a 4wd conversion project, the issue could see is the max RPM speed running through the box, not the horsepower.  
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Gear-Reducers-Gearboxes/Gearboxes/1-1-32-HP-RA-Gearbox-Same-Rotation-In-Out-19455-SR-KW-PH-13-1423-S.axd

 

 

 

 

Good reminder there.

Fairly easy to get around if you have the room for a couple extra pulleys. Definitely a point of consideration.

 

 

[Thor27 769]

8 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Have to raise the hood even more. 

The one I'm using is nearly 4" taller than a 12 HP Kohler single. 

 

@Handy Don That's an awesome rig!

 

Everything but the air cleaner will fit under a stock blackhood if you move the coil pack and get creative with exhaust.... 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

On 10/12/2021 at 7:11 AM, Thor27 said:

You got room there for a K582.....  

Would love to if i could find one.

On 10/12/2021 at 2:31 PM, 71_Bronco said:

Also, out of curiosity, how does the clutching work? It looks to be a 6-speed. Does the white idler pully lower when the pedal is pressed? causing slack on the belt?

Yep, and it's a 6/8 speed

 

On 10/12/2021 at 6:36 PM, bds1984 said:

I have one of those 90 degree gear boxes for a 4wd conversion project, the issue could see is the max RPM speed running through the box, not the horsepower.  
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Gear-Reducers-Gearboxes/Gearboxes/1-1-32-HP-RA-Gearbox-Same-Rotation-In-Out-19455-SR-KW-PH-13-1423-S.axd

 

It's a big box, shafts are ticker then those in a WH tranny. I run a 1-1 drive, so it will not reach more then 3600rpm.

 

On 10/12/2021 at 10:41 AM, ebinmaine said:

Have to raise the hood even more. 

The one I'm using is nearly 4" taller than a 12 HP Kohler single. 

 

@Handy Don That's an awesome rig!

 

The hood was made to fit a 20hp command V-twin with the fuelpump on the valve cover, It should fit such a big boxer engine too.

[ebinmaine 67,594]

1 hour ago, Maxwell-8 said:

 A.  it will not reach more then 3600rpm.

 

B.  The hood was made to fit a 20hp command V-twin with the fuelpump on the valve cover, It should fit such a big boxer engine too.

 

Answer to A:

There's also concern for Max RPM of a 90° gearbox. 

Many are rated at 1800 so obviously 1/2 what we can turn an engine. 

That can easily be accounted for by putting the correct size pulleys on the engine and gearbox.

 

 

Answer for B:

 

On 10/12/2021 at 12:52 PM, Thor27 said:

Everything but the air cleaner will fit under a stock blackhood if you move the coil pack and get creative with exhaust.... 

 

Oh oh oh. Yep yep. 

There's the issue. I have no black hoods so I'm measuring for a C series.

 

I know what those v-twins look like in a general manner of speaking but I've never seen one up close or measured one.

What size are the spacers on that tractor? They look about 2" or 50 to 60 mm....?

 

I'm beginning to wonder what odd sort of K582 I have because I couldn't get that anywhere near under there with 2" of lift. 

I was comparing the top of the height of the spark plug on a single cylinder Kohler to the top of the height of the air cleaner on my K582 and the flat twin engine is around 3.5" taller. 

Of course I realize they were never in a Horse and the one I have is a countersale type engine so it was not even meant to be built into a machine when it was new. No idea what the specs are.

 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

10 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

I know what those v-twins look like in a general manner of speaking but I've never seen one up close or measured one.

What size are the spacers on that tractor? They look about 2" or 50 to 60 mm....?

I will have to mesure that, As you can see, he ran out of steeringwheel-shaft. 

Is a K582 so high? wow 

[ebinmaine 67,594]

1 hour ago, Maxwell-8 said:

I will have to mesure that, As you can see, he ran out of steeringwheel-shaft. 

Is a K582 so high? wow 

Here's the first post from the Colossus build. You'll see I did a side by side comparison of the K582 to a 12 HP single. 

I don't think I had measured the height at that point but the width and length is clear. 

It's a bigg'un!

 

 

 

 

 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

I put the KT17 in the horse, looks good, and barely fits.

But I started thinking about putting this engine in my C175, since this would be the original engine, and I can run a pto on it. Which I can't use in this project. 

Then I would put the M16 in here.... 

What do you guys think? Restore the C175 to as close to original as I can, or but the big boxer-engine in here?

 

[Handy Don 12,235]

FWIW, KT17 to the C175 is my vote. 

The 16 mounted longitudinal here will still be unique!

[Thor27 769]

Picture is worth 1000 words there, not as much room as I pictured. I appreciate different,  but...  imho, I'd put the twin on the 175,  put the m16 on this without the 90 gear box. 

[ebinmaine 67,594]

I'd vote the same. Keep the 175 so you can use it with the PTO if you need to.

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

So I decided to restore the C-175 a put the kt17 in it. I hoped it would stick out more on the c161.

 

So the M16 went in the C161, so I would be a more modern C161.

Still not sure if I am going to use the 90° gearbox

 

 

Edited October 15, 2021 by Maxwell-8

[ebinmaine 67,594]

32 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

gearbox

Did you find an RPM rating for a horsepower rating?

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

2 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Did you find an RPM rating for a horsepower rating?

Nope, didn't say anything, and can find the model info on the internet, may have to search some futher.

Looks like it could handle a 16hp beast.

[ebinmaine 67,594]

5 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

handle a 16hp beast

Likely. Given the shaft size I'm sure it will be able to handle the horsepower and torque of that engine perfectly fine.

 

The issue there is that the capability is going to be at a certain RPM.

 

There are many gearboxes that are rated at roughly half the RPM that your 16 will put out so you may need to cut the RPMs out of the engine and into the gearbox.