Paw Paw's Charger and leaf vacuum

[Handy Don 12,235]

8 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Hydros don't really even NEED a brake because going to neutral stops the machine

True in those "joisey" flatlands.

Try putting a hydro in neutral on a nice hill and it can be a bit more exciting!

[kpinnc 12,083]

8 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

I'm going to take a look at what I need to do to get rid of that junk

 

On the Charger, I just needed a shorter tensioner spring. The levers being removed did not effect how the idler itself works. The return spring just goes to a bolt instead of the lever body. Simple fix. 

[ebinmaine 67,593]

7 hours ago, kpinnc said:

newer Sundstrands (B/C/D series) have traditional brake drums

That started somewhere after 1975. 

My recently arrived C160 doesn't have a brake drum.  

 

[ebinmaine 67,593]

6 hours ago, Handy Don said:

6 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Hydros don't really even NEED a brake because going to neutral stops the machine

True in those "joisey" flatlands.

Try putting a hydro in neutral on a nice hill and it can be a bit more exciting!

 

Jeff you're correct... But only for a short time. 

 

The Sundstrands will, at the least, creep the direction of downhill. 

 

Even worse,

In the case of my 1970 Charger hydro the linkage is so loose and so worn it will actually vibrate into a motion while running. 

 

Eatons I'm not sure of. 

 

 

Other than the driveway near the house I have NO flat area here. If I didn't have a working actual brake on a hydro tractor I'd have to go find it every time I wanted to use it. 

 

 

[kpinnc 12,083]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Eatons I'm not sure of. 

 

Eatons will free wheel when they get some age on them. Forrest Gump would say they "make your eyes get big" on a hill...  Brakes are required. When shut off, they roll as easy as an 8 speed.

Edited November 19, 2021 by kpinnc

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

linkage is so loose and so worn it will actually vibrate into a motion while running. 

 

Same issue I'm discovering with the 125 I'm working on.  In addition to the lever jumping into engagement, the mech is really worn and the friction cone thingy is being bypassed by wear in the "D" hole that the friction thingy sits in.  Nothing some JB Weld won't cure.

 

But this looks like a hijack, so I'll stop here.

[kpinnc 12,083]

4 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

But this looks like a hijack, so I'll stop here.

 

Not at all! I don't mind, and am the one who started the conversation.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, kpinnc said:

 

Not at all! I don't mind, and am the one who started the conversation.

 

OK... well... in that case...

 

I decided that instead of JB Weld I would actually tack weld that bearing onto the bracket.

 

BAD IDEA!

 

It's an OILITE BEARING!  

 

Luckily I realized this after the first tack weld and stopped so didn't damage anything.  I put a little JB Weld in there and waiting for it to set up and cure now.

 

The two pieces are highlighted in yaller.  Both pieces are Oilite.  The red arrows show the D hole that was a bit wallowed out so there was several degrees of 'no friction' movement of the handle which meant it wouldn't stay in Neutral due to vibration causing it to slip forward from the weight of the handle/lever.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[kpinnc 12,083]

Awwww, my FIL knew I had depleted my rattle cans on his machine, so he bought all the Regal Red he could find!

 

I didn't have the heart to tell him I used about 9 cans on his tractor, and I appreciated the thought!

 

 

[kpinnc 12,083]

Light tinkering today. Made an idler for the final drive belt. Really don't need it, but I'm sure that belt will stretch like any other.

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by kpinnc

[ebinmaine 67,593]

VERY nice work there!

 

I was always taught that belts don't "stretch" literally. They wear on the sides making them appear to be longer because they set in the pulley deeper. 

 

Either way that idler will do the trick!!

 

[c-series don 8,720]

I’ve been following this thread and I have to say your work is amazing. Very well thought out and detailed. 

[ebinmaine 67,593]

12 minutes ago, c-series don said:

I’ve been following this thread and I have to say your work is amazing. Very well thought out and detailed. 

Absolutely agreed!

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

I've wondered a few times if the serpentine belt tensioners for autos could be used on our machines... I've got a few sitting around that aren't 'bad'.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Lee1977 6,664]

I had not put my vacuum on until yesterday. Not many leafs had come down. We had a little rain the other day and then a lot of wind. I have three big pecan trees I don't think there is a leaf left on any of them.

Had to go to low high to keep from over loading the vacuum. 

[kpinnc 12,083]

11 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

11 hours ago, c-series don said:

I’ve been following this thread and I have to say your work is amazing. Very well thought out and detailed. 

Absolutely agreed!

 

Thank you both! 

 

Just so you know, I don't post all the throw away stuff when I mess up! 

[Handy Don 12,235]

14 hours ago, kpinnc said:

I don't post all the throw away stuff when I mess up! 

No need to explain the cost of tuition when you tell someone you've earned a degree.

[kpinnc 12,083]

11 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

No need to explain the cost of tuition when you tell someone you've earned a degree.

 

Nice one there Don!

[ebinmaine 67,593]

47 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Nice one there Don!

Agreed. 

That's well put. 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

On 11/25/2021 at 9:24 AM, kpinnc said:

Light tinkering today. Made an idler for the final drive belt. Really don't need it, but I'm sure that belt will stretch like any other.

 

 A proper and clean build and install! I like it.

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

On 11/25/2021 at 12:01 PM, ebinmaine said:

VERY nice work there!

 

I was always taught that belts don't "stretch" literally. They wear on the sides making them appear to be longer because they set in the pulley deeper. 

 

Either way that idler will do the trick!!

 

rubber stretches, don't no if Kevlar does

[ebinmaine 67,593]

5 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

rubber stretches, don't no if Kevlar does

That's why rubber belts have a cloth weave in them. Keeps reshaping to a minimum.  

[Snoopy11 5,714]

15 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

rubber stretches, don't no if Kevlar does

Kevlar stretches a little... but not much...

 

Don

[Handy Don 12,235]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

That's why rubber belts have a cloth weave in them. Keeps reshaping to a minimum.  

Cut a dead belt and you'll find it has multiple internal cords running inside the belt exactly like the tires on your bicycle or tractor which don't stretch, even when trying to mount or unmount them! 

(Car tires mostly have steel belts now but the principle is the same).

The Kevlar (or other) fabric wrapping is to slow down the wear on the sides and to make clutching action a little less "grabby" compared to plain rubber.

[kpinnc 12,083]

So the vac got a solid field test tonight. Governor is still not right, but better.

 

Almost there!