jtrosp1980 89 #1 Posted October 5, 2021 Just curious I have a raider 10 that has a 10 horse tecumseh on it what other engine can go on this without making modifications Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #2 Posted October 5, 2021 What is it about the 10 horse that doesn't work? Are you looking for more torque? Or is that one not running? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtrosp1980 89 #3 Posted October 5, 2021 Nothing yet I have to fix a head gasket but if it's worse I was just wondering because some tecumseh motors are harder to get parts 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #4 Posted October 5, 2021 Gotcha. You should find that one fairly easy. If you do need to do a swap there are several different Kohler engines that would fit the bill. Depending on what you use you may have to change the wiring around a little bit but it's not that big of a deal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,315 #5 Posted October 5, 2021 Any Kohler that has been removed from a Wheel Horse will fit right in. Eric types faster than me. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtrosp1980 89 #6 Posted October 5, 2021 Ok thanks it will be few weeks before I tackle it so was just wondering I don't get alot of time with it with being a over the road truck driver 😅 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #7 Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, jtrosp1980 said: Ok thanks it will be few weeks before I tackle it so was just wondering I don't get alot of time with it with being a over the road truck driver 😅 Driver here too. I'm daily now but I was New England regional for 6 years. I understand your predicament to All too Well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtrosp1980 89 #8 Posted October 5, 2021 Just now, ebinmaine said: Driver here too. I'm daily now but I was New England regional for 6 years. I understand your predicament to All too Well. Been doing this 24 years wouldn't know much else 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #9 Posted October 5, 2021 Look at my raider 10 newer style Kohler, an M12 apart from wiring, just a strait forward bolt-on 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bds1984 1,435 #10 Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Maxwell-8 said: Look at my raider 10 newer style Kohler, an M12 apart from wiring, just a strait forward bolt-on The patina on the M12 makes it look like an original engine to your Raider. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #11 Posted October 5, 2021 1 minute ago, bds1984 said: The patina on the M12 makes it look like an original engine to your Raider. indeed the engine is at least 15 years younger but looks the same age as the Raider 10. I love the patina on this set-up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #12 Posted October 5, 2021 I don't really know why guys aren't mentioning this... I will go there... There are a variety of engines that will fit... just depends on your skill level. Carroll Stream has an 11HP engine with electric start. Should fit right in if that is the power level you want. They also have 13. If you go with 11 hp... it should fit right in. However, the bigger engine you buy is the determinant of how hard the install will be. Predator 390 would be another option. However, for the best outcome, I would go with Carroll Stream. Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #13 Posted October 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: Carroll Stream I only did just a quick search but it looks like it's over $500 to get a hold of one of those. For that amount of money I would get an old Kohler engine rebuilt and maintain the look and reliability of the tractor without having the modern look of the engine. Nothing against anyone or anything. I just like the older, metal, engines in these tractors. I even change the plastic gas tanks in our B&C series tractors over to the older style metal gas tanks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skipper 1,788 #14 Posted October 5, 2021 single pot diesel? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #15 Posted October 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Skipper said: single pot diesel? YANMAR! 41 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: I don't really know why guys aren't mentioning this... I will go there... There are a variety of engines that will fit... just depends on your skill level. Carroll Stream has an 11HP engine with electric start. Should fit right in if that is the power level you want. They also have 13. If you go with 11 hp... it should fit right in. However, the bigger engine you buy is the determinant of how hard the install will be. Predator 390 would be another option. However, for the best outcome, I would go with Carroll Stream. Don PTO can't be done on those @jtrosp1980I think finding a cast-iron block kohler is your best way to go 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #16 Posted October 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: I only did just a quick search but it looks like it's over $500 to get a hold of one of those. For that amount of money I would get an old Kohler engine rebuilt and maintain the look and reliability of the tractor without having the modern look of the engine. Nothing against anyone or anything. I just like the older, metal, engines in these tractors. I even change the plastic gas tanks in our B&C series tractors over to the older style metal gas tanks. I agree there... I didn't realize how much these had gone up in cost... These engines were not as expensive pre-pandemic... I bought one for like 350$... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtrosp1980 89 #17 Posted October 5, 2021 Then m12 or Carol stream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #18 Posted October 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, jtrosp1980 said: Then m12 or Carol stream Be careful with something other than what Wheel Horse used originally if you intend to use a side pulling PTO. Horse spec engines have particular side bearing setups and a lot of other engines can't be used. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #19 Posted October 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Be careful with something other than what Wheel Horse used originally if you intend to use a side pulling PTO. Horse spec engines have particular side bearing setups and a lot of other engines can't be used. I am not really sure what you mean, EB... can you explain in more detail? You talking about ball bearing supported cranks...? Sorry, you lost me... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #20 Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: I am not really sure what you mean, EB... can you explain in more detail? You talking about ball bearing supported cranks...? Sorry, you lost me... Don LIke I already said, it's hard to install a working PTO, also the crankshaft is a diffrent diameter. And are those cranks Ball Bearing supported that can handle side pressure as the PTO would make when engaged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #21 Posted October 5, 2021 Just now, Maxwell-8 said: LIke I already said, it's hard to install a working PTO, also the crankshaft is a diffrent diameter. And are those cranks Ball Bearing supported that can handle side pressure as the PTO would make when engaged. They do make adapters for the crankshaft diameter. And yes, those engines all have ball bearing supported cranks. My Duromax, Tillotson, Massimo, Troy, Carroll Stream, Predator, etc... engines all have ball bearing supported cranks. @chipwitch did a build with the Carroll Stream... successfully... although he went REALLY big with the motor... so he had issues with the hood fitment... which... as far as I know... he has resolved or is working on. Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,603 #22 Posted October 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: I am not really sure what you mean, EB... can you explain in more detail? You talking about ball bearing supported cranks...? Sorry, you lost me... Don Many engines cannot handle the side load stress. The PTO on many Wheelhorse tractors creates a very strong SIDE load when engaged. Wheelhorse spec engines have a way to account for that. Special bearings? Flanges? I'm not sure HOW it's done. Perhaps someone like @953 nut can help there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,277 #23 Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said: They do make adapters for the crankshaft diameter. And yes, those engines all have ball bearing supported cranks. And can they handle the sideload? I have heard that not all of them can. Don't know if it's true but converting to a electric clutch could avoid these problems. Edited October 5, 2021 by Maxwell-8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtrosp1980 89 #24 Posted October 5, 2021 If the motor is bad but I would put the kohler I still want the same look 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,714 #25 Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said: And can they handle the sideload? I have heard that not all of them can. Don't know if it's true Those that I know who have done this have had very good success. I think the only real worry would be the strength of the block... more importantly the side cover. It isn't the ball bearings that would even be in the equation... as far as durability. You want some sideload--eh? Try on a 30 series torque converter... pin it to full speed with a fat behind on it... I sincerely feel like these engines are pretty durable... for what I have used them on, what other guys have used them on as well. Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
