1984 Work Horse GT-1600 REFRESH

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

1 minute ago, Horse Newbie said:

Because my 94 520H has the factory lug bolts with tapers

I’ll double check tomorrow, but I could swear the lug “bolts” on my 520H have tapers... albeit small tapers... but I believe I remember seeing them.

 

I’ll double check and let you guys know if my lug bolts have a small taper.

[Handy Don 12,235]

5 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

I’ll double check tomorrow, but I could swear the lug “bolts” on my 520H have tapers... albeit small tapers... but I believe I remember seeing them.

 

I’ll double check and let you guys know if my lug bolts have a small taper.

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

I just walked out to my shop and checked the lug bolts on the 1984 Work Horse GT-1600.

They are tapered, and I’m almost certain the 1994 520H lug bolts are too...

 

And on the Work Horse, I dropped a lug bolt in a hole while I was out there... the taper goes completely in the hole and does not fill the hole until the bolt head touches the wheel...

[Handy Don 12,235]

On 11/11/2021 at 9:56 PM, Horse Newbie said:

I just walked out to my shop and checked the lug bolts on the 1984 Work Horse GT-1600.

They are tapered, and I’m almost certain the 1994 520H lug bolts are too...

 

And on the Work Horse, I dropped a lug bolt in a hole while I was out there... the taper goes completely in the hole and does not fill the hole until the bolt head touches the wheel...

 

 

Yep, you can see the shiny part just a little ways up the taper where it's contacting the hole in the wheel and not the hub. 

So after all that, we now know that at least some WH wheels are mounted in the reverse of what we would do with an automobile wheel, judging from the hole bevels, but still use tapered bolts, and...it works just fine!

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Handy Don

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

Well I may have spoke too soon on the post # 303... as you can see the shiny spot where the lug bolt bites...

 

5 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

 

And on the Work Horse, I dropped a lug bolt in a hole while I was out there... the taper goes completely in the hole and does not fill the hole until the bolt head touches the wheel...

 

[ebinmaine 67,595]

1 hour ago, Handy Don said:

Wheel centering is not the issue, of course, the hub handles that

 

ONLY while installing the wheel.  

As the lugs are tightened up they group of lug nuts as a whole centers the wheel. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Handy Don said:

Also just realized that my spacer idea would likely move the wheel out from the hub to far to permit the center hole to center the wheel on the hub.

 

This is a non issue. 

I've used 2" and 3" spacers with NO concentric ring so the wheel CAN'T be lined up in the center. 

I've done this on tractors and road vehicles alike. 

 

 

As I've been reading down through the above posts I remembered that my own 1974 C160 Cinnamon Horse has the same lug holes that appear to be made wrong. 

 

I'd also like to note that I use 1/2" studs. Not the stock 7/16". 

That leaves even less room to align the lug nuts. 

That tractor weighs as much as 1300 to 1400 lbs.  More than double stock weight. 

I also regularly pull loads of 1000 lbs or more.  

 

When I change tires to go from work to shows/get togethers I retorque after an hour or so, and again later. 

That's a habit from the trucking world. 

 

My wheels.  Don't. Loosen. 

[Greentored 3,214]

This wheel issue is a strange one for sure! I do know those overrated green tractors sometimes run wheels with the deeper dish toward the center, perhaps they came off one of those?

FWIW, I installed 1" spacers with 1/2" studs on my off road Horse and had to drill the holes out, losing pretty much all of the taper, and run standard automotive tapered lugs, and have had zero issues. If they're staying put on that thing, believe me, you'll be just fine

[ebinmaine 67,595]

5 minutes ago, Greentored said:

FWIW, I installed  spacers with 1/2" studs on my off road Horse and had to drill the holes out, losing pretty much all of the taper, and run standard automotive tapered lugs, and have had zero issues

Same here. 

No worries....

[Gregor 4,846]

  Several of mine are drilled out also.

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

1 hour ago, Greentored said:If they're staying put on that thing, believe me, you'll be just fine

Thanks for the reassurance guys... I wasn’t too worried about it... just wondered if the wheels were right.

 

The only real concerns I had was those high banked turns at Daytona and Talladega...

[peter lena 8,634]

@Horse Newbie  ever heard of a packing puller ?https://www.amazon.com/Palmetto-1101-Extractor-flexible-removeable/dp/B00887BSP8/ref=asc_df_B00887BSP8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=503460592068&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11279410820629266335&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1014803&hvtargid=pla-1194797278502&psc=1 , drill or needle punch a tiny hole in the metal side edge of the seal , screw in the puller and pull it out , pete

[peter lena 8,634]

@Horse Newbie  ever heard of a packing puller ?https://www.amazon.com/Palmetto-1101-Extractor-flexible-removeable/dp/B00887BSP8/ref=asc_df_B00887BSP8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=503460592068&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11279410820629266335&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1014803&hvtargid=pla-1194797278502&psc=1 , drill or needle punch a tiny hole in the metal side edge of the seal , screw in the puller and pull it out , pete

[peter lena 8,634]

@Horse Newbie just noticed your pto cone bearing question , a hi temp anti sling grease should be used , like lucas X TRA HEAVY DUTY CHASSIS GREASE , 560 DROP POINT , ANTI SLING . don,t need much of this , as excess would get on clutch face . also detail lube any related linkage areas , should work very easily , pete 

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

Made up my tie rods today...

[ebinmaine 67,595]

1 hour ago, Horse Newbie said:

Made up my tie rods today...

 

 Wish we had a lathe....

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

 Wish we had a lathe....

I wish I had one too... don’t HAVE one, HAVE access to one... and he’s looking to move away...

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

I painted some more parts today…

reassembly starts next !

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

Reassembly has begun…

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

 

 

 

Somebody had to do it.  You probably knew it would be me!  

 

I love them coffee containers for storage too!  

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

This is about how far I got on the reassembly…

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

Is the shifter boot supposed to go over the detent screw ?

Edited November 14, 2021 by Horse Newbie

[AMC RULES 37,130]

Yes.

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

Got my tie rods painted and the ball joints on…

[WheelHorse520H 708]

8 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

This is about how far I got on the reassembly…

Lookin’ mighty slick.

[Horse Newbie 7,074]

23 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

Is the shifter boot supposed to go over the detent screw ?

I put the boot over the detent screw and now it looks like the screw may poke a hole in the boot…

 

23 hours ago, AMC RULES said:

Yes.