Definitely not angel hair

[JAinVA 4,619]

Hauling crushed concrete for the driveway and this happened to a tire on the dump trailer. Correct air pressure/check. Operated within speed range/check  Not overloaded and it didn't hit any curbs.

[tunahead72 2,424]

Weird, I'd be scratching my head on this one.   Looks like some sort of polyester thread, maybe a reinforcing material of some type?

 

Several questions come to mind:

What brand and model of tire?

Date code?

Cracks, dry rot?

How was the other tire?

 

[ebinmaine 67,603]

Not seen it in person but I've heard of this. 

What's the age of the tire?

 

[JAinVA 4,619]

The tire is an Arisun.  It is 5 years old as are the other 3 on the trailer. I bought this Brimar dump trailer new in 2016.  What you see are the metal wires of the tire's inner  carcass. The tires have less than 2000 miles on them and look like new ,with no cracks or weather checking.

Edited August 19, 2021 by JAinVA

[Rusty Tinsnips 477]

" Made in China"

I have seen this many times on my work trailers. One year I went through 11 trailer tires. Started buying only 14 ply and haven't had a problem since. ( still made in china)

[JAinVA 4,619]

Thanks,Rusty Tinsnips. Yep they are Made in China.

[squonk 41,152]

UV rays kill tires. Especially tires that sit. No cracks show but the rubber just breaks down. Years ago you could buy a set of wiper blades and they would last a few years. Now days you're lucky to get a year out of them.

Edited August 19, 2021 by squonk

[JoeM 7,874]

Over the years I have seen a few trailer tires fail. The biggest issue is when they lose a little air they come apart.

 

I would check the inside for punctures when you change it out.  just a thought.

[ZXT 2,401]

You bought them 5 years ago - but are they really only 5 y/o? I bought a set of tires at a store once (a couple years ago) that were 2013 vintage, so roughly 6 years old when I got them. Old stock they had got in from somewhere.. I had them change out to another set. 

 

I had a Hankook do similar once on my '85 Toyota pickup - except that it was just one wire. Tire is still under the truck as a spare.

 

Do you know how to read tire date codes? Post a close up of the sidewall that's readable if not. 

[JAinVA 4,619]

Looked up the dot tire codes post 2000.    DOT 44 15 Thanks ZXT.  I never thought to look up the DOT code. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by JAinVA

[ZXT 2,401]

2 hours ago, JAinVA said:

Looked up the dot tire codes post 2000.    DOT 44 15 Thanks ZXT.  I never thought to look up the DOT code. 

You're welcome! Looks like they're right at the age they should've been. Always good to know how to read the codes, especially when buying something used.

 

My '81 928 that I traded for a couple years back was advertised as having "nearly new" tires. They weren't cracked and had nearly full tread -- but were from 2003! 

[lynnmor 7,308]

Google China Bombs, then buy made in USA tires.  I use Goodyear Wrangler HT LT (light truck) tires on trailers where they fit, only a few sizes are available.  Goodyear now makes the Endurance ST tires in the USA and most sizes are available, they gave up on producing trailer tires in China after two failed attempts with the junk.

[tunahead72 2,424]

My next trailer tires are likely to be the Goodyear Endurance, if I can find them (TireRack for example can't get my size until next February).  I had to dig a little to find the official Goodyear web site for these tires, but here's their RV tire brochure:

goodyear_rv_brochure.pdf (goodyearrvtires.com)

 

You'll find full specs for the Endurance tires, plus (this is interesting) at the very bottom of the brochure they have a short list of competitive replacement tires.  Like I don't do enough research on these things. 

 

[WHX?? 48,828]

Somebody say blown trailer tires?  Three this year and never had blown one before. Must be playing catch up.  It's not so much the blown tire as the damage it does when the 80 psi inside decides it doesn't wanna be in there any more. Wiped out all the fuel station wiring and the underbelly insulation to four feet either side of the tire on the camper and wrinkled the fender on the enclosed.

Those steel belts are very sharp so wear gloves when handling a carcass. 

Camper horse hauler got four new Goodyear Endurance Tuna so time will tell. They didn't exactly give them away...almost 200  a tire with change and pesonnaly watched the guy balance them proper. Don't know if that will help but it can't hurt. I have no idea why most guys don't have trailer tires balanced somebody school me.

Speaking of age ZXT the ones on the enclosed are were less than a year so that one was warranty but I still got bent over on changing it and the busted up fender. Then ones on the horse hauler were about three yo. 

My tire pro says don't use LT tires Lynn ...says trailer tires are designed to flex more. 

Pretty sure all tires involved were E load rated... only rating one can get in my size. Tandem  6 bolt 3500 lb axles. 225/75R15E's

Last pic Dan and I 100 miles westbound out from the BS. Me trying sort out the fuel wiring.

TORQUE THEM LUG NUTS! 

 

Aparrently @Achto has got a recent blow out story to tell. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by WHX??

[Achto 27,602]

14 hours ago, WHX?? said:

Pretty sure all tires involved were E load rated... only rating one can get in my size. Tandem  6 bolt 3500 lb axles. 225/75R15

 

That size tire can  also be had in D rated, C rated, even as low as a B rated.

 

Took my brother's 5th wheel trailer on a trip. On the way home I notice smoke rolling out from behind the camper. Yep, blown tire. Grab the spare tire and see that it is only B rated, (for an 11,500lb trailer) This tire made it for about 1.5 hrs down the road, then when I stopped for fuel I noticed that the spare tire was coming apart. Left the trailer sit and made a short trip to get a new E rated tire installed on the original rim. 3hrs of time lost messing around with a darn tire.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Achto

[Achto 27,602]

1 hour ago, WHX?? said:

My tire pro says don't use LT tires Lynn ...says trailer tires are designed to flex more. 

 

Install LT tires that will last at least 6+yrs. Install ST tires that are only good for 3yrs. Which one would you push, if you were a sales man???

[lynnmor 7,308]

LT tires are fine for a trailer.  High end RV manufacturers use them when they don't want the liability of the cheap junk.

 

Balancing trailer tires is mostly a feel good exercise, the hubs or drums are not balanced and the bolt pattern may not run true.  If you do decide to have them balanced, at least have it done on a balancer that has a lug plate because the center hole may not be concentric.  I balance mine at home either on the axle with no grease or seal, or I use my Alemite balancer.

 

[ebinmaine 67,603]

14 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

LT tires are fine for a trailer

 

First let me just say I agree with you in general principle.

 

There are trailer shops in Massachusetts that will not sell you an LT tire for a trailer because the sidewall is thinner on a towing vehicle tire then on an ST (Special Trailer) tire.

[WHX?? 48,828]

9 hours ago, Achto said:

 

Install LT tires that will last at least 6+yrs. Install ST tires that are only good for 3yrs. Which one would you push, if you were a sales man???

 

True never thought of it that way. 

 

Hey Dan tell Tim I have two tear offs from the camper in E rated when I went to all 4 Good Years.  He can have one for a spare if they are the same size as I listed above. The other one I am keeping for a spare. 

 

11 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

 

Balancing trailer tires is mostly a feel good exercise

 

For the 4 bucks a tire it cost I'll take that feel good. I paid alot more for other feel good stuff. 

When the camper tire blew the rim kissed the pavement and put a small dent in it. Balancing it took the small dent out. 

I have a motor scooter trailer that kept wearing out tires uneven. Bald on one side & Lincoln was not bald on the other. Got only one trip out to Sturgis and the tires were shot. Had the tires balanced and got many trips out of them. Don't think I would want a blowout on a bike trailer at speed. 

 

Aldon told us once he sprung for the Good Years Ed @tunahead72. I thought he was nuts for spending that at the time. Aldon is a smart man. 

 

Another good thread on the subject here ....

Trailer Tires - non tractor related discussion - RedSquare Wheel Horse Forum

[Achto 27,602]

28 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Hey Dan tell Tim I have two tear offs from the camper in E rated when I went to all 4 Good Years.  He can have one for a spare if they are the same size as I listed above

 

I'll tell him but, after 2 blow outs in one year I think that I would just S---can those tear offs. 

 

What's worse than changing a tire along side the road? Having to change it again before you get home.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Achto

[squonk 41,152]

Think about what's going back there at the trailer  while Jim is listening to Cindy telling him " no more joy rides on my tractor"  Tires are singing along. Trailer is loaded. How evenly is someone else's guess. Now think about the trailer frame. Who welded it? How straight is it? go to an RV plant and watch them being built and you will find your answer. Trailers are usually sprung pretty good with usually NO SHOCK ABSORBERS. The tires hop hop hop down the road like Foot Foot the Rabbit in the Mel Tillis skit. Balancing a trailer tire may not be an exact science by the time it's mounted on the trailer hub, but for the few bucks it's costs why the heck not

 

Back in the 80's and 90's you couldn't keep a pair of tires on the back of a Chyrsler FWD vehicle especially the vans. They used the cheapest shocks they could get away with and the tires would hop along in the back and get all cupped up and scuffed. We used to recommend a tire balance every 8000 miles or replace the rear shocks witht he most expensive Monroe's they made 

Edited August 24, 2021 by squonk

[tunahead72 2,424]

48 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

...

 

Another good thread on the subject here ....

Trailer Tires - non tractor related discussion - RedSquare Wheel Horse Forum

 

That IS a good thread, I remember reading it back then, and I think that's where I first learned about the Endurance tires.  They're still my first choice, but I might also consider the Carlisle Radial Trail HD's.

 

And I'm also being reminded that I need to buy a spare tire and rim, and find a way to mount it to the trailer.  And lock it securely, because not everyone you meet is as honorable as we all are. 

 

[tunahead72 2,424]

15 minutes ago, squonk said:

... The tires hop hop hop down the road like Foot Foot the Rabbit in the Mel Tillis skit...

 

Sigh!  Now I have to go to YouTube and search "Mel Tillis Foot Foot Rabbit". 

 

[WHX?? 48,828]

1 hour ago, Achto said:

I would just S---can those tear offs.

That thought had crossed my mind but you know how frugal I can be! Figured they be good enough for an emergency and I wanna say my current spare is only D rated. 

 

 Ok I'll set them at the road with the free sign or better yet give them to somebody I don't like! 

 

55 minutes ago, tunahead72 said:

mount it to the trailer.  And lock it securely,

I did that once Ed .... never had to use the spare and when I gave the trailer to the SIL, my generosity only goes so far, the spare wasn't going  with it but the lock was froze and I had to cut it off! 

There was stories at tractor camp about some stoney going around stealing tires tho. 

 

Ok gotta go  those Carlisle Radial Trails.....

Edited August 24, 2021 by WHX??

[WHX?? 48,828]

Here ya go Tuna...looks like they offer them in lower load ratings too. Reminder to check rims to take the higher pressure of higher load ratings. 

 

Some quick math shows four can hold 11,230 lbs. Also note they don't give a speed rating like the GY's. Guessin it's gotta be at least 80? 

Edited August 24, 2021 by WHX??