Electrical question

[Jeff-C175 7,199]

1 hour ago, Gregor said:

guess I didn't make that very clear.

 

Clear enough Greg, and I commented several posts back in a similar vein as Squonky just did.

 

So you went ahead and connected 12ga wire to a 50A breaker? I'll just say once more and then shut up... That's a very wrong thing to do!

 

[JPWH 6,033]

@Gregor I understand it is done in your mind. You have received a lot of sound advice.              #12 wire on a 50 Amp breaker is an extreme fire hazard. Please at least install the breaker enclosure with a 20 amp breaker.

As an Electrician for 41 years I could not ignore this thread.

Jay

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,312]

8 hours ago, JPWH said:

@Gregor I understand it is done in your mind. You have received a lot of sound advice.              #12 wire on a 50 Amp breaker is an extreme fire hazard. Please at least install the breaker enclosure with a 20 amp breaker.

As an Electrician for 41 years I could not ignore this thread.

Jay

Same here Jay….licensed electrician since 1990….everything I read made me cringe. Lots of advice given, none taken. 
 And the electrician who said it’ll be fine, should have his license pulled! 

[squonk 41,039]

That #12 wire became a long fuse! 

[clueless 2,976]

So you ask for advice, and at least 90%  who gave you some advice told you the right way to do it and the way you want to do it is wrong and dangerous  . Keep in mind that at least three of these guys are licensed electricians with over 100 years of combined experience. All I can tell you if your going to do it your way be careful, be very careful, and buy a nice size A B C fire extinguisher .

Edited August 7, 2021 by clueless

[wallfish 16,986]

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[squonk 41,039]

 

[Gregor 4,846]

You people sure can get into a persons head.

After rereading this entire thread, it finally hit me like a baseball bat, just what I was attempting to do. RUNNING  # 12 WIRE ON A 50 AMP BREAKER IS DEFINITELY WRONG !  Sometimes a person, me anyway, gets a one track mind on something, and just doesn't think about the whole picture. So I set in this morning to rectify the situation. I cut a hole in my wall. It hurt, but I did it.

The white box on the left is simply a junction box to get wire inside the wall. The welder outlet is once agaIn alone, on it's own. dedicated, double pole, 50 amp breaker. The AC is on it's own, dedicated, double pole, 20 amp breaker. I had to double up on some other circuits, as our local farm/home store did not have any tandem breakers. They didn't even know what they were. I will have to find some. The # 12 NMB is still in plastic wire mold, and code or not, it is going to stay that way. I can't see what it can possibly hurt.

 

Believe it or not, I have done quite a bit of wiring in my time. I have completely wired 2, new. large hog buildings. Those familiar with hog  buildings, know how extensive the wiring can be. 1000's of feet of # 12 THHN were ran. If you are wondering, yes, I did have to have a million dollar insurance umbrella. How did I get it? That's between my insurance man and his conscience, but I can tell you this, he's good ! I have also wired several new homes, I don't know how many garages, and countless other small jobs. 

As far as the hole in my wall, it may be a blessing in disguise. When I built and wired my garage, I did not include any outside lighting. Maybe I can fix that now.

After that I can permanently patch the hole, or maybe I can simply trim around it for future access. ( Maybe a bigger box)

19 hours ago, Racinbob said:

I'm betting you could easily free up some circuits. Also, I've never come across a stud wall that I couldn't fish.

I guess I have some of my own rules about wiring. In a kitchen or garage, I won't put more than 4 outlet on a breaker. The living area and bedrooms 8. In older homes I have found MANY walls I could not fish. Around here anyway, years ago, homes were built with firewalls. These were 2X4's, nailed cross ways, between studs,  to help stop the spread of fire going up. Sometimes, they even had a small amount of concrete poured on top of the 2X$. Impossible to fish.

 

As far as Jeff, my electrician friend, I trust him completely.  I don't believe he would purposely give me bad advise.  I just don't think he understood what I was trying to do. Probably because I didn't explain it well.

 

Thank You all for your advice and comments. Sometimes it takes me a while to catch on, but I eventually get there. Usually.

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,312]

Congrats on doing it right!! 
 

[Jeff-C175 7,199]

8 hours ago, Gregor said:

NMB is still in plastic wire mold, and code or not, it is going to stay that way. I can't see what it can possibly hurt.

 

Note that in an earlier post I stated that it's not forbidden in the NEC.  So that's fine.

 

[Gregor 4,846]

90 degrees outside, my garage is a comfortable 74. I think I finally got all the flies killed off, except 1