squonk 41,118 #26 Posted July 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, varosd said: I vote Tecumseh LOL That's just crazy talk Don! 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,118 #27 Posted July 29, 2021 When that PTO bearing plate on my 520 loosened up and dumped oil all over my driveway and garage floor that was the end of Onan's for me. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 10,968 #28 Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) Paul: FYI from Partstree.com 21-14KE01 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (1985) 73400 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor 73448 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 089000500 - 089099999) (1998) 73449 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 200000001 - 200999999) (2000) 73402 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 079000001 - 079999999) (1997) 73448 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 089000001 - 089000499) (1998) 73449 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 210000001 - 210999999) (2001) 73402 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 069000001 - 069999999) (1996) 73402 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 079000001 - 079999999) (1997) 73448 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 089000001 - 089000499) (1998) 73449 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 210000001 - 210999999) (2001) 73402 (314-8) - Toro Garden Tractor (SN: 069000001 - 069999999) (1996) Edited July 29, 2021 by Lane Ranger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #29 Posted July 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, squonk said: When that PTO bearing plate on my 520 loosened up and dumped oil all over my driveway and garage floor that was the end of Onan's for me. Sally! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 62,878 #30 Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Sally! Speaking of name dropping... glad to see that blasphemous X24 number went away... WHXAWholeBunch 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #31 Posted July 29, 2021 Should be WHXwaytoomany! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,118 #32 Posted July 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Sally! It would have been awesome to have that happen while I was out snow blowing. As it was it happened with the cab still on and I was moving the tractor back into the shop. Didn't even know it happened because with the cab on you couldn't see it. Another couple of minutes all of the oil would have been gone and a boat anchor would be in place of a running engine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wfopete 15 #33 Posted July 29, 2021 I'm not real familiar with the Onan engine problems and rather not be familiar with them. Would there be any chance that a rebuilt Onan engine would have the problems corrected? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,394 #34 Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, wfopete said: I'm not real familiar with the Onan engine problems and rather not be familiar with them. Would there be any chance that a rebuilt Onan engine would have the problems corrected? Onan possible issues ... 'Achilles Heel' ... can include the following : valve seats ignition module flyball spacer surging due to intake leak air intake requires attention ( removed: electrical - 9 pin connector ) Edited July 30, 2021 by tom2p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clueless 2,991 #35 Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) A few years ago I bought a '97 416-8 (Onan) from the original owner, didn't need it, he was selling the tiller cheap and that's what I was there for. After we talked awhile he asked me how much I would give him for everything, I gave him a pretty low offer just to see where he was at, he said with a smile man it's yours. A few months later I was at may local 35+ years WH dealer buying some parts for one of my horses and told the guy, and a pair of plugs for the 16hp Onan. He looked up at me, and the old mechanic that was standing next to me and said what the hell are you, they know me, doing with a Wheel Horse with that damn Onan . I told them I got a good deal on it, the counter guy said I hope it was a good deal because the money you saved your going to need when you need parts and service. He said here we say Onan stands for Oh No Another One. And now page two, I have used the 416 to do everything my '77 C-160auto and my '89 312-8 do, tilling, plowing, grass cutting, heaving pulling and towing, grading mid and rear and other than the sound didn't notice any real difference . Now you can tell the 416 has more torque, and if I was using a 48 or 60 inch deck, or "stuffing a deuce into a snowbank" what ever that is I my need the extra torque but for my need the 416 doesn't do much more than my first WH a '75 B-80 4sp. Now if this gets some of the Onan guys here panties in a wad, then I've done my job. Edited July 29, 2021 by clueless 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clueless 2,991 #36 Posted July 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, tom2p said: Onan possible issues ... 'Achilles Heel' ... can include the following : valve seats ignition module surging due to intake leak electrical - 9 pin connector Yea but Achilles, only had two heels 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 7,306 #37 Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, tom2p said: Onan possible issues ... 'Achilles Heel' ... can include the following : valve seats ignition module surging due to intake leak electrical - 9 pin connector Take out the 9 pin connector, other models and engines used the same. Add in the flyball spacer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wfopete 15 #38 Posted July 29, 2021 The Onan seems high maintenance with ignition module problems, the carbs are super sensitive to dirt/surging, valve seat issues, intake leaks and general electrical gremlins. Plus there are 2X of everything, pistons, valves, gaskets etc. This Onan equipped 416-8 I'm looking at is $500 and has been rebuilt years ago. There any reason to believe that the new components are better than what came on the machine compared to what came on it from the factory? Probably not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #39 Posted July 29, 2021 3 hours ago, clueless said: "stuffing a deuce into a snowbank" what ever that is Come to WI next January I'll school ya.... bring yer galoshes..... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,118 #40 Posted July 29, 2021 3 hours ago, clueless said: 5 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Come to WI next January I'll school ya.... bring yer galoshes..... "stuffing a deuce into a snowbank" I could have a lot of fun with this one but this is a "Family Forum!" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clueless 2,991 #41 Posted July 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Come to WI next January I'll school ya.... bring yer galoshes..... Hoss, the only way I would ever be in WI in January would be, I lost a huge bet or someone is paying a huge amount of money for me to be there . Even then I would try to work my way out of it. #IGETTHEWEATHERCHANNEL 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 48,815 #42 Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, clueless said: I would ever be in WI in January Geez Clueless and we thought Squonky was the only Sally here....check out the outside temp and tell us how you really feel.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clueless 2,991 #43 Posted July 29, 2021 29 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Geez Clueless and we thought Squonky was the only Sally here....check out the outside temp and tell us how you really feel.... Whoa, you can call me clueless, you can call me Chris, you can call me wimpy, you can even call me Sally, but you doesn't have to compare me to Squonky. For that sir I may even drive up there in -30 degrees to defend my honor. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,394 #44 Posted July 29, 2021 6 hours ago, clueless said: Yea but Achilles, only had two heels ok ... two achilles - and throw in a heel spur and plantar fascia ... lol 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,394 #45 Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, lynnmor said: Take out the 9 pin connector, other models and engines used the same. Add in the flyball spacer. was on the fence with the 9 pin connector forgot about the flyball spacer corrected also added: air intake requires attention Edited July 30, 2021 by tom2p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,394 #46 Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, wfopete said: The Onan seems high maintenance with ignition module problems, the carbs are super sensitive to dirt/surging, valve seat issues, intake leaks and general electrical gremlins. Plus there are 2X of everything, pistons, valves, gaskets etc. This Onan equipped 416-8 I'm looking at is $500 and has been rebuilt years ago. There any reason to believe that the new components are better than what came on the machine compared to what came on it from the factory? Probably not. Probably won't know until you look at it. The components are not the issue - although a case could be made for the quality or material of the valve seats ? The Onan twins are high quality commercial / industrial grade engines. They will go for thousands of hours. 4000+ hours not uncommon with original components. In addition to other garden tractors including John Deere and Case - they were installed on portable generators, welders, mixers, saw mills, etc. I have 1000 hours on a 416-H and had zero issues. Zero. It's never been touched and unfortunately maintenance intervals have been stretched. Onan twin would prob not be my first choice if I had a small to medium yard - Kohler single probably a better choice. But if you cut a lot of grass the Onan twin can be a game changer. Edited July 30, 2021 by tom2p 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moonshine*Connoisseur 435 #47 Posted July 30, 2021 13 hours ago, varosd said: I vote Tecumseh LOL I'm not sure but that might get you thrown out, just sayin, tread lightly 😂 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick 233 #48 Posted August 1, 2021 I have a 314-8 and and a 416-H. I use both with a 48" deck. The only negative with the Onan engine is that the flywheel screen needs constant attention most of the time. Chaff, dead grass, leaves etc. are drawn to the screen like iron filings to a magnet. The screen must be kept clean! I have to hold my cutting speed down because I am cutting improved pasture. IOW Hi range 1st gear for the 314, and a comparable speed with the 416. Of course the Kohler 14 uses less fuel but I also have to keep the blades sharp! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
