416-8 not starting

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

Morning everyone,

 

Was trying to avoid another "not starting" topic but figured it might be the quickest way to diagnose my starting issue.

 

My 416-8 won't start, it was intermittent when I brought it - you had to turn the key a lot to get any action and now ii just can't get it to do anything.

 

When you turn in the ignition there is power, all the idiot lights work and all the safety switches lights come on when you test them, physically and with the test button.

 

When you turn the ignition to start it all you get is a quiet "click" somewhere below the battery and nothing else.

 

Battery is fully charged.

 

The 3 fuses below the battery are all intact, although the 30amp one was corroded and a leg had come off it - I removed it and replaced.

 

Anything obvious I am missing?

 

Really need the powerful machine as got a lot of fenceline to mow - hand strimmed one side for a couple of miles but don't want to do the other side by hand!!

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[Achto 27,575]

3 hours ago, Dan.gerous said:

When you turn the ignition to start it all you get is a quiet "click" somewhere below the battery and nothing else.

 

The quiet click that you hear is most likely the starter relay, ( little black box under the battery)

 

The start signal goes through a series of switches (key, PTO, & clutch peddle ) and then powers up a magnet inside the start relay to close a switch to send power to the small terminal on the starter solenoid. This powers a magnet in the starter solenoid and closes the switch between the 2 large terminals to send battery power to the starter.

 

Starting at the key switch, use the diagram that gwest provided to trace the starting circuit and find the power interruption. 

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

50 minutes ago, Achto said:

 

The quiet click that you hear is most likely the starter relay, ( little black box under the battery)

 

The start signal goes through a series of switches (key, PTO, & clutch peddle ) and then powers up a magnet inside the start relay to close a switch to send power to the small terminal on the starter solenoid. This powers a magnet in the starter solenoid and closes the switch between the 2 large terminals to send battery power to the starter.

 

Starting at the key switch, use the diagram that gwest provided to trace the starting circuit and find the power interruption. 

Thanks, ok will get my head around that ☹️

 

Hopefully have some free time later today and will report back with anything I find....

[peter lena 8,627]

@Dan.gerous, in addition to your  wiring issue , use your low range / high gear to do that cutting ,  designed for that type of cutting . pete

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[Dan.gerous 2,696]

15 minutes ago, peter lena said:

@Dan.gerous, in addition to your  wiring issue , use your low range / high gear to do that cutting ,  designed for that type of cutting . pete

I was thinking of strimming the top down a bit lower so it's not too much of a load for the deck. Would still be quicker/easier than taking it all the way with the strimmer.

[tunahead72 2,412]

10 hours ago, Dan.gerous said:

10 hours ago, Dan.gerous said:

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Suggested caption:  "This is where I passed out."

 

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

6 minutes ago, tunahead72 said:

 

Suggested caption:  "This is where I passed out."

 

That's only a tiny part of the fenceline that I did. It's our annoying fox proof fence, requires endless spraying and maintenance and I personally think it's a complete waste of time and money. It's electric as well, so has to be kept clear or it doesn't work very well.

[tunahead72 2,412]

6 minutes ago, Dan.gerous said:

That's only a tiny part of the fenceline that I did. It's our annoying fox proof fence, requires endless spraying and maintenance and I personally think it's a complete waste of time and money. It's electric as well, so has to be kept clear or it doesn't work very well.

 

Does it work well at keeping the foxes out when you do keep it maintained?  And what are you keeping them away from?

 

[Achto 27,575]

28 minutes ago, Dan.gerous said:

It's electric as well, so has to be kept clear or it doesn't work very well.

 

We used to have an electric fence called a Weed Burner. Plants would create a ground when they touched it and it would burn through them causing them to tip over in a few pulses. It worked great, but I'm not sure if they are still available.

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

35 minutes ago, tunahead72 said:

 

Does it work well at keeping the foxes out when you do keep it maintained?  And what are you keeping them away from?

 

It's not as effective as it should be, foxes are very clever and will always find a weak point.

 

It's too protect our piglets as we generally have around 1500 running about the place.

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

11 minutes ago, Achto said:

 

We used to have an electric fence called a Weed Burner. Plants would create a ground when they touched it and it would burn through them causing them to tip over in a few pulses. It worked great, but I'm not sure if they are still available.

Ours are supposed to do that as well, but they have never been very good. I have revamped the system and had more than three times the power - when we came here the fence was barely putting it 1500v now we have 5000v and up.... But my good energiser died a month ago so we are back on the old weak one while it gets fixed. That's meant pigs breaking through the fences again, and the foliage growing everywhere.

[Dan.gerous 2,696]

Havent had a chance to get back to the 416 yet - its so busy on the farm at the moment.

 

We have had to take over a couple of sheds in the Dairy Farm next door as the company that took our piglets closed down, threw us completely under a bus. Frantically trying to turn our place into a fattening unit until we can get someone else to buy the piglets. Spent all yesterday plumbing in sheds for troughs in a very run down dairy (it closed about two years ago).

 

Anyway, will get back to you with results on the 416 as soon as time gets a little less tight!