Any magic potions or oils recommended?

[stevasaurus 22,739]

Richmondred01, that cross hatch is a thing of beauty!!!   

[rmaynard 15,459]

Yup, crosshatch and new rings. Worked for me in my 54 year old Tecumseh V60. Burned oil like crazy. Nothing afterwards.

 

 

[peter lena 8,627]

@WHX24 think the best combo for hot weather , is  rislone zinc and # 30 shell rotella , that way you are getting  great protection and the added cleaning with the zinc , that hot work with the cleaner , will give you what you want , for protection and an easier running engine . the heavy oil theory , typically does not help with the varnish build up in these engines . always marveled at the color change to new oil with the added zinc , you are looking at varnish removal , and an easier running engine . just my own experience , pete  

[richmondred01 2,237]

Use it in all my flatheads. 

[WHX?? 48,815]

I also use a similar product in my Kohlers. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

4 hours ago, Lane Ranger said:

It was developed with grants from NASA, the National Science Foundation, the United States Department of Energy and more.

 

My reaction to that is: "Yeah, right, SURE it was!"

 

My gut feel on that product is maximum Snake Oil.

[squonk 41,118]

Eye irritant. Please keep away from @pullstart! 

 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

4 hours ago, peter lena said:

the added cleaning with the zinc

 

Pete, are you saying that the zinc is a 'cleaner'?  My understanding is that it is a lubricant, particularly with respect to the flat tappets.  Never heard of it's use as a cleaner.

[peter lena 8,627]

@WHX24 think the best combo for hot weather , is  rislone zinc and # 30 shell rotella , that way you are getting  great protection and the added cleaning with the zinc , that hot work with the cleaner , will give you what you want , for protection and an easier running engine . the heavy oil theory , typically does not help with the varnish build up in these engines . always marveled at the color change to new oil with the added zinc , you are looking at varnish removal , and an easier running engine . just my own experience , pete  

[peter lena 8,627]

@Jeff-C175, Jeff I can tell you , not only is is a lubricant , but since regularly adding it to my oil changes , the dipstick tube on my engines and the dip stick look like new inside, also the milky dip tube residue is gone. like it says makes new oil work better in older style engines . rotella 30 # and rislone zinc , has made me a believer , put some hours on that additive and prove it to yourself . simple and easy to do. not making this up , pete 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

@peter lena Thanks Pete!  I've been using Rotella T1 30 weight for over a decade now in all my equipment, summer and winter.  They're all clean as a whistle inside.  I do add a tad of zddp when I remember to.

[Docwheelhorse 2,660]

Well Men and Ladies of Redsquare....

I gotta bow my head in shame and admit I goofed....

I'm not saying that the motor is completely smoke free and runs like new... --BUT--

I had in my head that these large oil pan Kohlers (K and Mag) held 3 qts of oil... so.... I poured 3 qts in and didn't even look at dipstick---I find these screw in old school dipsticks to be hard to read especially with clean fresh oil.

So---I beat the stuffing out of the old girl and thought I accomplished something because it nearly stopped smoking but the oil was still at full on dipstick after the run--- when in reality all I did was burn the qt extra with the motor going W.T.H you dope the whole time...

 

Please don't revoke my semi-pro Kohler service badge or my WHCC card

 

Tony

[richmondred01 2,237]

Since it was so full, you may want to pull the valve cover and clean the breather. It’s most likely soaked.

[Docwheelhorse 2,660]

On 7/6/2021 at 8:39 AM, peter lena said:

that collective engine varnish , takes time to clean up , this is not a 1 and done flush , but as I  regularly used mine in clean up , you could see less smoke , and oil filth was quickly apparent . beating the hell out of something is not the way it works, shorter oil changes after hot running , additive and fresh oil , is the easiest way . all of mine now have like new clean dip stick readings , oil changes are longer , no smoke at all , engines run with ease , add rislone zinc to all my oils . I  use this and it simply works . pete

I wouldn't call what I was doing "beating it" but... I made sure to put a good solid load on it so that she was pulling hard... this routine seems to help re-seat rings etc... I've seen a lot of 2 and 4 stroke marine engines have low compression cylinders come back after a treatment with a "ring free" type solution---Valvtech Marine motor De-Carb is what we always used at boat shop I worked at. Valvtech  told us to get the motor hot... spray most of can down intake as it ran... stall it, fill cylinders with solution  and then let sit 30 minutes. Then take it out and "run the P i s s " out of it. The stuff is nasty and we where told that you need to run it hard for the product to work and to make sure it is completely out of a 2 stroke as it will melt the crank seals over time... and to run a 4 stroke hard then change oil for same reason... I gotten a can yet to try on this motor. Just figured I'd post and see what other people where doing.

 

Tony

 

 

[richmondred01 2,237]

Seafoam is another good product to help loosen rings and carbon on an engine that’s been sitting.

Before tearing down this old cub loboy I used it in the crankcase as well as the spray for the intake. 
It still needed to be rebuilt but it did run better. 

[Zeek 2,286]

On 7/6/2021 at 5:23 PM, rmaynard said:

If you know me, I'm not a fan of snake oil, whether in the gas or in the oil. It's smoking because oil is getting into the combustion chamber. Valve guides, rings or a combination of both. Let the oil burn until your are ready to rebuild it.

Agree. No liquid is going to replace the worn away metal clearances that are allowing the oil to bypass and burn.  It was likely the state it was in when you bought it because it burned oil and they only kept adding when low from burning instead of ever changing it. Afraid you gotta a mosquito killer or a James Bond smoke screen feature  until a rebuild .

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Docwheelhorse said:

poured 3 qts in

 

I took an almost new small genset in for repair a couple months back and when I pulled the dipstick to check the oil, it came POURING out the hole!  That sucker was REALLY full... and yes, it did smoke some, but only a little bit.  I took almost two quarts out of an engine that held only 1 plus.

 

Owner SWORE she never added oil to it.

 

I've heard that in extreme cases of overfilling oil that one could potentially cause a sort of "hydro lock" condition and blow the piston/rod.  I can see how that could possibly occur.

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[lynnmor 7,306]

2 hours ago, Docwheelhorse said:

Well Men and Ladies of Redsquare....

I gotta bow my head in shame and admit I goofed....

I'm not saying that the motor is completely smoke free and runs like new... --BUT--

I had in my head that these large oil pan Kohlers (K and Mag) held 3 qts of oil... so.... I poured 3 qts in and didn't even look at dipstick---I find these screw in old school dipsticks to be hard to read especially with clean fresh oil.

So---I beat the stuffing out of the old girl and thought I accomplished something because it nearly stopped smoking but the oil was still at full on dipstick after the run--- when in reality all I did was burn the qt extra with the motor going W.T.H you dope the whole time...

 

Please don't revoke my semi-pro Kohler service badge or my WHCC card

 

Tony

I think we need to hold court and make some decisions.  Expulsion, probation is to be considered especially for beating on that .

[edgro 677]

4 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

I took an almost new small genset in for repair a couple months back and when I pulled the dipstick to check the oil, it came POURING out the hole!  That sucker was REALLY full... and yes, it did smoke some, but only a little bit.  I took almost two quarts out of an engine that held only 1 plus.

 

Owner SWORE she never added oil to it.

 

I've heard that in extreme cases of overfilling oil that one could potentially cause a sort of "hydro lock" condition and blow the piston/rod.  I can see how that could possibly occur.

 

That reminds me of back in the gas station days. A customer came in, one of the other guys checked his oil, and told him it was full. The dude jumped out of his car all excited, pulled the oil cap, and said look in there, that m.... ...er is not full

[wallfish 16,999]

9 hours ago, Docwheelhorse said:

Please don't revoke my semi-pro Kohler service badge or my WHCC card

REVOKED !!!! We have a zero tolerance policy here

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

11 minutes ago, wallfish said:

have a zero tolerance policy

 

Not even 0.010" ?  

 

[tom2p 2,394]

10 hours ago, lynnmor said:

I think we need to hold court and make some decisions.  Expulsion, probation is to be considered especially for beating on that .

Docwheelhorse is on double secret probation !

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by tom2p