Wheel spacers?

[slim67 2,735]

13 hours ago, BeninCT said:

Wide ass looks good- 

 

On a tractor……

[Handy Don 12,237]

10 hours ago, 8ntruck said:

With the loads and speeds we operate our tractors at, an inch or two should not be a problen.

 

5 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

On my big tractor project I'm moving the wheels out several inches per side in the back. 

 

 

If moved out sufficiently far, I'd start to be concerned about the leverage. What supports the axle inboard of the transaxle wheel bearing near the wheel?

[8ntruck 7,018]

37 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

 

 

If moved out sufficiently far, I'd start to be concerned about the leverage. What supports the axle inboard of the transaxle wheel bearing near the wheel?

Good point.  Is there a second bearing on the axles closer to the diff?

[ebinmaine 67,640]

50 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

 

 

If moved out sufficiently far, I'd start to be concerned about the leverage. What supports the axle inboard of the transaxle wheel bearing near the wheel?

 

11 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

Good point.  Is there a second bearing on the axles closer to the diff?

 

 

Yes there sure is. That's the very large and heavy duty 1533 bearing.

 

I'd have to measure it to be sure ... I would say I'm moving each wheel out five or six inches. 

Three of that is in the wheel spacers and the other two or three of that is in the fact that I'm using GT14 axles in a regular 8-speed transmission. They're longer. 

 

The workload of this particular tractor is going to be for logging/towing duties only (unless I change my mind).

Tongue weight on the rear hitch will never be more than 200 to 300 lb. It's also important to remember that this tractor in and of itself will be a little heavier than your average C series.

 

I think it will be okay but if it's not, I'll fix it and change something.

 

[Handy Don 12,237]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Yes there sure is. That's the very large and heavy duty 1533 bearing

 

1 hour ago, 8ntruck said:

second bearing on the axles closer to the diff

 

Went to "Files" and got the Uni-Drive manual so I could see the placement of the 1533 which seems to be about 6 or 7 inches inboard of the 1528 outer needle bearing and effectively in the shell of the body of the transaxle on both sides. The shell has external reinforcement webs cast into it at the point, too.  

With that, and your planned usage, I concur that accelerated bearing/seal wear will be something to watch for but breakage isn't likely.

[8ntruck 7,018]

I agree.  I'll guess that if you have issues, it will be the outer bearing.

[BeninCT 451]

On 10/14/2021 at 9:35 AM, slim67 said:

On a tractor……

I don’t judge lol.  I’m rated E for everyone (also happily married).

[BeninCT 451]

On 10/13/2021 at 8:16 PM, ebinmaine said:

Do you have the availability to get the tires filled?

That would add significant weight and traction. 

I could come up with a way for sure.  Might add 75 lbs per tire too.  What are people using to fill them?  Non tox antifreeze?  I have winter as you know lol.

 

Thniking about making a concrete weight to hang off my new hitch…

[Handy Don 12,237]

1 hour ago, BeninCT said:

I could come up with a way for sure.  Might add 75 lbs per tire too.  What are people using to fill them?  Non tox antifreeze?  I have winter as you know lol.

 

Thniking about making a concrete weight to hang off my new hitch…

Remember that weight in or on the wheel (filled or bolted) is "unsprung", i.e. isn't being carried by the axle and its bearings. Its only impact on the bearings is the sideways inertial forces of getting the weight moving or stopped. 

Weight on the tractor, however, does get carried by the axle and its bearings.

[ebinmaine 67,640]

On 10/17/2021 at 11:36 AM, BeninCT said:

I could come up with a way for sure.  Might add 75 lbs per tire too.  What are people using to fill them?  Non tox antifreeze?  I have winter as you know lol.

 

Thniking about making a concrete weight to hang off my new hitch…

 

On 10/17/2021 at 1:11 PM, Handy Don said:

Remember that weight in or on the wheel (filled or bolted) is "unsprung", i.e. isn't being carried by the axle and its bearings. Its only impact on the bearings is the sideways inertial forces of getting the weight moving or stopped. 

Weight on the tractor, however, does get carried by the axle and its bearings.

 

 

Don raises a good point above. 

 

Fluid fill can be several things depending on locale. 

RV antifreeze is one. Also winter grade windshield washer fluid. 

 

I use and recommend Rimguard which is a derivative of beet juice. 

Search their site or call them to see if they have a dealer near you. 

 

Around here I can buy Rimguard for less than or equal to ww fluid or RV antifreeze and it weighs alot more. 

 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

On 10/14/2021 at 4:05 PM, Handy Don said:

What supports the axle inboard of the transaxle wheel bearing near the wheel?

 

On 10/15/2021 at 3:15 AM, 8ntruck said:

I'll guess that if you have issues, it will be the outer bearing.

AIH   don't say that to loud!   have had with those outer bearings. Most of the horses I've had had those bearings replaced They blew, taking out the bigger bearing near the diff. It's a timeconsuming jobreplcing those and parts aren't cheap. 55$ for one outer bearing at our local dealer

the two tractors I have had with 1-1/8 axles, the bearings where fine. the 1" axled-transmission are more likely to experience bearing failure.

 

[ebinmaine 67,640]

31 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

 

the two tractors I have had with 1-1/8 axles, the bearings where fine. the 1" axled-transmission are more likely to experience bearing failure

I don't find that to be true on the ones we've taken apart. 

I've seen plenty of the larger bearings in need of replacement. 

 

PO lack of maintenance and/or neglect, also over working the machine play a big role there. 

 

35 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said:

55$ for one outer bearing at our local dealer

 

OOUUCCHH!!!!!

 

We can buy those all day for about $15-$18 each or even less. 

Maybe an auto parts store has a better price?

 

[Maxwell-8 4,277]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

I don't find that to be true on the ones we've taken apart. 

I've seen plenty of the larger bearings in need of replacement. 

 

 

We can buy those all day for about $15-$18 each or even less. 

Maybe an auto parts store has a better price?

 

That is probably my bad luck then. all 1" axle transmission I have had, had broken bearings.

the two 1-1/8" axles didn't.

 

I buy them online for about 20$ a piece, identically the same bearing and brand. Our local Toro dealer is very know for overpricing everything. 

 

[kpinnc 12,097]

16 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

We can buy those all day for about $15-$18 each or even less. 

Maybe an auto parts store has a better price?

 

I would very much like a source and part number for that bearing. My bearing guy found no replacement available.

[ebinmaine 67,640]

7 hours ago, kpinnc said:

 

I would very much like a source and part number for that bearing. My bearing guy found no replacement available.

 

You mean the outer axle/wheel bearing?

 

Both the outer wheel bearings and inner axle bearings are available from @wheelhorseman Lowell at Wheelhorse Parts and More. One of our listed vendors. 

 

What transmission is it for?

 

[kpinnc 12,097]

On 10/21/2021 at 4:26 AM, ebinmaine said:

What transmission is it for?

 

I was referring to the inner 1533. There is nothing special about it, with no odd dimensions. But they are hard to find. And quite expensive. 

[ebinmaine 67,640]

41 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

I was referring to the inner 1533. There is nothing special about it, with no odd dimensions. But they are hard to find. And quite expensive. 

Yepp.

No longer hard to find 

We can get the 1533 from the above source or even sometimes very good used ones from Lincoln at A to Z Tractor in PA. 

 

[kpinnc 12,097]

9 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Yepp.

No longer hard to find 

We can get the 1533 from the above source or even sometimes very good used ones from Lincoln at A to Z Tractor in PA. 

 

Thanks Eb!

 

Your previous $15-18 per bearing comment was a bit of a surprise. I haven't rebuilt one in a long time, but have a couple candidate transmissions. Now I can look into rebuilding them!

[ebinmaine 67,640]

3 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Thanks Eb!

 

Your previous $15-18 per bearing comment was a bit of a surprise. I haven't rebuilt one in a long time, but have a couple candidate transmissions. Now I can look into rebuilding them!

That price was for the outer bearing. 

The 1533 bearing is more expensive. About $40-$45 each.  

 

Here's a link to the pair sold by Wheelhorsepartsandmore. 

 

https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/1533-bearings-qty-2/

 

 

 

[kpinnc 12,097]

15 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

The 1533 bearing is more expensive. About $40-$45 each.  

 

Still 30 or more cheaper/ pair than OEM. Thank you!