48 inch Side Discharge Deck Restoration

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

1 hour ago, rjg854 said:

I'm not at all familiar with Iphones, but in your aps do have something like files or downloads?  That may be where that parts manual might be  

@rjg854… yes sir I do have that, and at sometime in the past 6 months I have downloaded and saved to my phone files from Redsquare on the Work Horse that I just refreshed.

At that time I must have figured out momentarily how to save the files to my phone for quick access, but it did not stick in my brain. 
I was trained up writing stuff down and looking in a printed manual…

Thank you for the suggestion though…

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

Hey fellows and/ or ladies, got a few questions for you all who may have restored some WH decks…

First of all what re these bolts called ?…

I call them shoulder bolts, or carriage bolts… can you get them at McMaster-Carr ? They are the bolts for the gauge wheels.

 

Next group of pics (next 3)…are these collars or spacers supposed to be a tight fit it the bracket holes. These are the ones that go on the bolts that go from the brackets to the two long flat bars at the outside of the deck hanger on both sides. The long flat bars are slightly bent from the factory. One of them was shattered when I unbolted it.

 

Next 4 pics… I have some wear marks in the deck hanger bracket pieces… would you just apply weld to build up these areas, grind and file them down as good as you can, or not worry about them ? The wear is on the little post on the height adjustment lever, and the bracket it goes in, the round cross bar at the attach-a-magic, and the slots in the long, bent, outside bars.

 

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Horse Newbie

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

On 4/15/2022 at 8:14 PM, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Amazon...

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077J66P27/

 

 

I got my Por15 Stop Rust Kit for the deck… will post pics as soon as I get her done !

[lynnmor 7,307]

On 4/17/2022 at 4:41 PM, Horse Newbie said:

Hey fellows and/ or ladies, got a few questions for you all who may have restored some WH decks…

First of all what re these bolts called ?…

I call them shoulder bolts, or carriage bolts… can you get them at McMaster-Carr ? They are the bolts for the gauge wheels.

 

Next group of pics (next 3)…are these collars or spacers supposed to be a tight fit it the bracket holes. These are the ones that go on the bolts that go from the brackets to the two long flat bars at the outside of the deck hanger on both sides. The long flat bars are slightly bent from the factory. One of them was shattered when I unbolted it.

 

Next 4 pics… I have some wear marks in the deck hanger bracket pieces… would you just apply weld to build up these areas, grind and file them down as good as you can, or not worry about them ? The wear is on the little post on the height adjustment lever, and the bracket it goes in, the round cross bar at the attach-a-magic, and the slots in the long, bent, outside bars.

 

They are called lawn mower wheel bolts, note the thin head.  Standard shoulder bolts can be used if you aren't concerned with keeping it original.

 

The broken hardware needs to be replaced, the wear that you show is not excessive so no need to weld.

 

I grease the wheels every time I mow and apply oil to all those wear spots from time to time.  Your wheels haven't seen grease since the last ice age.

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

5 hours ago, lynnmor said:

 

 

The broken hardware needs to be replaced

 

 

When you say hardware, are you talking about all broken hardware ( I assume you are), or the sleeves that the bolts run through that hold the deck hangers to the brackets on the deck?

 

Also, are these sleeves hardened, and would you try to find ones made to size, or just buy some sleeves at the local hardware, and cut to length ?

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

@Jeff-C175,

When you used the POR15 Stop Rust Kit, did you use just what is in the kit , or did you apply a top coat over the black, whether it was a top coat of black or any other color ?

Edited April 23, 2022 by Horse Newbie

[lynnmor 7,307]

2 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

When you say hardware, are you talking about all broken hardware ( I assume you are), or the sleeves that the bolts run through that hold the deck hangers to the brackets on the deck?

 

Also, are these sleeves hardened, and would you try to find ones made to size, or just buy some sleeves at the local hardware, and cut to length ?

 

The sleeves are hard and you probably need to buy OEM.  The other items are cheap and I would just replace with hardware store stuff. Grade 5 fasteners would be best.

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Horse Newbie said:

just what is in the kit ,

 

Just the kit, no topcoat.  Believe it or not, there's enough in that little can for two coats.

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

2 hours ago, lynnmor said:

The sleeves are hard and you probably need to buy OEM.  The other items are cheap and I would just replace with hardware store stuff. Grade 5 fasteners would be best.

Thanks @lynnmor… hate to be asking what seems at times to be menial questions, but I know you fellows have probably been down these roads before, and I would rather get it as right as I can and hopefully it will last another 28 years.

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

2 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Just the kit, no topcoat.  Believe it or not, there's enough in that little can for two coats.

Thanks @Jeff-C175… I will post a pic of the ingredients on each bottle of stuff… was it you that was asking for that ?

… may have been another member on a different thread where I went totally off-topic and posted about the deck restoration by mistake on that thread…

 

Edit:

Just found the misplaced post…

It was @WHX?? wanting pics of the ingredients, and I misplaced my response on @TJ Salyers “Rebel the Raider 12” thread.

Anyways, I will post pics on this thread later today after I finish my Saturday chores…

Edited April 23, 2022 by Horse Newbie

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

3 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Just the kit, no topcoat.  Believe it or not, there's enough in that little can for two coats.

Thanks @Jeff-C175… I will post a pic of the ingredients on each bottle of stuff… was it you that was asking for that ?

… may have been another member on a different thread where I went totally off-topic and posted about the deck restoration by mistake on that thread…

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

Also @Jeff-C175 and @WHX?? ,

I am considering painting the top of the deck first… Rustoleum Regal Red…

if I have a little red overspray go under the edge of the deck, do you guys think that will affect the bonding on the 3 Step POR15  STOP RUST kit ?

[WHX?? 48,823]

It might I would do the POR on the underside first. I don't think overspray would hurt the POR. If you did do the top first you could always sand  the over off. 

When you do the kit follow the destructions to the tee and don't rush it. 

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, WHX?? said:

follow the destructions

 

Absolutely!

 

Hardest part is going to be keeping the acid etch wet as instructed.  Work in the shade if possible.

 

I too would do the bottom first.

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

Thanks @WHX?? and @Jeff-C175, I will do my best to follow them strushions closely. I appreciate the coaching !

[WHX?? 48,823]

I have never used that kit Tim but it just appears to me the the cleaners might be similar to a tank sealer kit hence my inquiry as to what the elements in the cleaners and preps might be. Guessing they are not proprietary stuff but off the shelf chems that one can procure with out having to be bent over on the branded kit. 

Thus being able to use it on other applications & restos. Trying to work the system here & do a doctorate thesis on it all! 

Edited April 24, 2022 by WHX??

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

14 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

elements

 

I can't say exactly which one, but the "cleaner/degreaser" smells just like one of the common ones, perhaps "Zep" or whatever it is called.

 

The metal prep is most definitely phosphoric acid.  Smells like the exact same f4rts.

 

Nothing special or proprietary.

 

 

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

@WHX?? and @Jeff-C175

Herr ya go…

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

This is the Cleaner/ Degreaser…

Edited April 24, 2022 by Horse Newbie

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

Here is the Metal Prep…

Let me know if you need any more pics in case some of these are not readable…

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

@Jeff-C175, did you use a respirator ?

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Horse Newbie said:

@Jeff-C175, did you use a respirator ?

 

No, I was outdoors so figured didn't need one.  Indoors (which I don't think I would do this indoors) I probably would use... and not just the paper mask, I have one of the 3M that uses the round filter thingies.  

 

I think it says to rinse the stuff off and the garden hose is what I used.  

 

I had the deck upside down on a couple sawhorses.

 

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

7 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

No, I was outdoors so figured didn't need one.  Indoors (which I don't think I would do this indoors) I probably would use... and not just the paper mask, I have one of the 3M that uses the round filter thingies.  

 

I think it says to rinse the stuff off and the garden hose is what I used.  

 

I had the deck upside down on a couple sawhorses.

 

 

 

I will be outdoors also… the thing with respirators is you use different cartridges based on the chemicals involved, and I don’t know how to determine which cartridges would suffice.

I will do the same-upside down on saw horses…

[Jeff-C175 7,202]

1 hour ago, Horse Newbie said:

don’t know how to determine which cartridges

 

Nor do I, but I tried!

 

I found the 3M documentation to be nearly incomprehensible.  The chart they publish makes little sense to me.  

 

I'm typically only interested in particulates so it's easy.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2022 by Jeff-C175

[Horse Newbie 7,071]

Followed the POR-15 Stop Rust Kit instructions to a “T”… hope it turns out good…

cleaned and degreased with the POR cleaner and degreaser… kept it wet for 20 minutes…rinsed, blow dried…first 3 pics…

then I treated the metal with POR-15 Metal Prep… kept it wet for 15 minutes…

next 4 pics… you can see where it turned the shiny metal kinda white… must have gotten a good etching…

Rinsed it and blow dried…

Then I got to painting (next 4 pics)…while the first coat gets tacky, I’ll install the new rubber hood latches that just came in for the Work Horse.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Horse Newbie