ID help needed (rookie horse owner)

[rustyspace 10]

Hello to everyone. I am really enjoying this forum. The wealth of knowledge here is incredible.  I have a new to me horse that I cannot ID. I belivee it is a 61-64 however with no engine identification plate or model number on the belt cover. I am struggling. The shift pattern decal reads 26293, see photos. I believe this machine was just made to be a decent parade machine but I would like to get it correct if possible.

[rustyspace 10]

Additional pictures for reference 

[Stepney 2,325]

To my somewhat less than trained eye, maybe a 753?? 
I thought those had the plastic dash though? 

[oliver2-44 9,761]

 The round hood experts will be here shortly.

  Tell us a little about your self .

Also couldn't  help but notice that yellow one in the background.

[haydendavid380 759]

3 minutes ago, Stepney said:

To my somewhat less than trained eye, maybe a 753?? 
I thought those had the plastic dash though? 

 

That was going to be my guess as well, but I don't know a whole lot about the early stuff.

[Stepney 2,325]

It's got the straight front axle, so it's after 1962. But I think the 8hp in that year had the sir cleaner right off the front..

Or was it the 7 had the air cleaner straight, and the 854 had a different air cleaner to clear the hood..?
Its been a while. Im sure someone will come along who knows better. 64 Steering wheel is a 2 spoke as well. So Im going with a 753. 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,600]

[littleredrider 409]

The filter is just thicker on the 854, 2" thick I think compared to 1.5", still round like the early 7 horses. I used to know what these were just be looking at em, but haven't have a round hood in years. 

 

Looked again and that definitely ain't the stock filter. Stock comes straight out front from the carb. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by littleredrider

[rjg854 11,387]

Has a lot of earmarks of my 854, but I'm no expert.  The thing that throws me off is that air filter location.  I don't think I've ever seen one mounted that way 

Edited March 20, 2021 by rjg854
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[953 nut 55,321]

                                               

Our Files Administrator has a very good resource for doing an ID based on serial numbers of early . According to that list this is a 1963 Model 633. I didn't find any other information on what makes the 633 any different than the 653. Here is a list of posts on the 633 for you to review.

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/search/?q=633&quick=1

[The Tuul Crib 7,336]

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[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,047]

Certainly looks like a 1963 serial number.

In 1963 they continued to use up the 1962 62-xxxxx serial/shifter decals.

I think the highest recorded 62-xxxxx is 62-25718 on a 1963 33E Lawn Ranger.

Next so far is this 26293. It appears they just dropped the 62- and continued on.

 

The 653 and 753 wiring diagrams show a starter button and this one does not appear to have one so a 633 looks logical.

The 633 would not have had an ammeter.

 

Garry

[Pullstart 62,912]

  Does the hood still fit with that intake?  

[rustyspace 10]

14 hours ago, oliver2-44 said:

 The round hood experts will be here shortly.

  Tell us a little about your self .

Also couldn't  help but notice that yellow one in the background.

Just an old equipment hobbyist. Not much cool vintage stuff this far south but my collection started with that yellow craftsman 853 in the picture to the left (there's actually 2 there, 1966 and a 1968) that was saved from the crusher. Like everyone else on here (I'm sure) I have more projects than time.

[rustyspace 10]

3 hours ago, pullstart said:

  Does the hood still fit with that intake?  

Yes the hood fits just fine. In the old kohler manuals they show the 90 degree elbow available for the k161 in the diagrams for the motors built for wheel horse. However, I cannot find any other machine on the web with the elbow such as mine. There are faint, very faint remnants of green  in the cylinder head fins that make me question if the motor is from a Deere. 

[rustyspace 10]

5 hours ago, 953 nut said:

                                               

Our Files Administrator has a very good resource for doing an ID based on serial numbers of early . According to that list this is a 1963 Model 633. I didn't find any other information on what makes the 633 any different than the 653. Here is a list of posts on the 633 for you to review.

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/search/?q=633&quick=1

Good information there, thank you

[rustyspace 10]

Another point, I don't believe the voltage regulator belongs under the fuel tank or has anyone else seen this? The bracket looks like it may be a factory piece. To install the correct glass fuel filter the regulator is in the way. It seems as though they mount directly to the starter generator on other machines? I will try to post another photo today of this area.

[rustyspace 10]

The plot thickens. When I took these photos below of the voltage regulator, I noticed the decal under the steering wheel looked odd. Low and behold it is covering the starter button hole. 

[rustyspace 10]

1 hour ago, rustyspace said:

Another point, I don't believe the voltage regulator belongs under the fuel tank or has anyone else seen this? The bracket looks like it may be a factory piece. To install the correct glass fuel filter the regulator is in the way. It seems as though they mount directly to the starter generator on other machines? I will try to post another photo today of this area.

 

[rustyspace 10]

1 hour ago, rustyspace said:

Yes the hood fits just fine. In the old kohler manuals they show the 90 degree elbow available for the k161 in the diagrams for the motors built for wheel horse. However, I cannot find any other machine on the web with the elbow such as mine. There are faint, very faint remnants of green  in the cylinder head fins that make me question if the motor is from a Deere. 

 

[stevasaurus 22,764]

It looks like it was re-painted.  Take a good look at your belt guard to see if there is a sticker and it was painted over.  If so, take some Acetone on a rag and "gently" rub the paint on the sticker.  It will first soften and then wipe off.  You do have some different things going on for sure.  Not hard to imagine that being almost 60 years old.  

[WHX?? 48,828]

753 gets my vote. Steve's idea is excellent. .. @Achto and I took custody of a tractor that was being passed off as a 854 but low and behold he found a 753 tag hiding behind belt guard paint. 

Good eye on the green paint Rusty. Anyone one know if a JD might have that style air cleaner and that ig. coil location? If so that might nail it down as a repo. Also did JD's have the regulator not mounted on the SG like horses? 

The starter button holes and key switch is correct for a 753. 

This is where the reg. and coil should be. Also correct air cleaner.  

[rustyspace 10]

17 hours ago, WHX24 said:

753 gets my vote. Steve's idea is excellent. .. @Achto and I took custody of a tractor that was being passed off as a 854 but low and behold he found a 753 tag hiding behind belt guard paint. 

Good eye on the green paint Rusty. Anyone one know if a JD might have that style air cleaner and that ig. coil location? If so that might nail it down as a repo. Also did JD's have the regulator not mounted on the SG like horses? 

The starter button holes and key switch is correct for a 753. 

This is where the reg. and coil should be. Also correct air cleaner.  

I started to think it was a 753 myself at first. But after reading more and more forums and discovering many issues with this machine, I started to question everything. Now that you mention it I didn't even notice that my coil location appears 90 degrees out. I will inspect the belt guard later today and report back.

[rustyspace 10]

I removed the belt cover. Unfortunately, I did not find any signs of a decal on the front or back. The coil is mounted to cast bosses on the side of the block that I don't see on other WH motors. The coil wire has also been rubbing the hood do to this orientation. 

 

 I think its safe at this point to say its a 1963 with a motor transplant. Is there any way to verify what motor this machine was born with. I read some where a day or two ago, that only 6 and 7hp horses had the 3 lug hubs in the rear. So I have to believe that its not an 853. And that only the 7 and 8hp had a start button so it should be a 753, correct? 

[rustyspace 10]

Did all of the 753's come with a fuel pump? This machine does not have one only a block off plate. It runs and drives now but I can see that it could be tough for gravity to get fuel to the carb if I install a glass sediment bowl. Or should I just run continue to run an inline filter?