receiver hitch and clevis combination

[David414 289]

Does anyone have a 2" receiver hitch mounted like mine, and also have a clevis hitch mounted at the same time? I am trying to understand how to mount a clevis hitch and use the cabling to the tractors (414-8) mechanical lift lever to raise or lower a rear implement?  It appears that  the 2"  hitch is in the way of the cabling to the clevis hitch and the 2" hitch is using the stationary pin for mounting. Not much room left on that pin.

I believe using the receiver hitch is much stronger than the clevis hitch, but I don't understand how to raise and lower from the receiver hitch?  Use of a winch or actuator maybe, but need some sort of hinged extension from the receiver to make this work? Any suggestions?

Thanks

[Lee1977 6,648]

You have to make a lot of changes to make it work.  My hitch is home made. You can get by with out changing the rocker are as it can't be moved on your model because of the gas tank. I do know the clevis hitch will hit the receiver hitch 

 You will also have to change the braces to the receiver hitch  and cut the tube off the clevis hitch to make it work. I can still install the original WH hitch.

 

The easiest fix is another Wheel Horse. I just had one when I did that.

Edited March 6, 2021 by Lee1977

[David414 289]

@Lee1977 Thank you for the information. Your pictures really highlight the differences and obstacles to make a clevis hitch work on my tractor. 

And yes I agree a second tractor would be easier, but I am a die hard and want to explore a different option.

 

@DennisThornton@ranger @SylvanLakeWH @953 nut @cschannuth @Handy Don @ebinmaine@WVHillbilly520H

Gents, you have given me good advice in the past , and I am reaching out for your thoughts. I am giving some thought to a different way of keeping my 2" receiving hitch pictured above and using a modified clevis hitch of my design  for using rear implements.

I never used a clevis hitch, so please help me understand this. What I am interested in, is the rear implement mounting pin height of the clevis hitch.

 The clevis hitch has a round tube where a pin is inserted to hold the implement to the hitch, and has two bolts to adjust a plate and put tension on that assembly.

My question concerns the height of that pin from the ground. How far off the ground does the pin need to be?

Is it level with the original WH hitch pin location? 

Does it make a difference if the clevis hitch pin is at the same level as the receiver hitch? 

Is it  advantageous if the pin height can be adjustable from the ground? say 2" to 8" high off the ground?

When using rear implements, how critical is the attachment height of the implement to the tractor hitch? To the ground?

 

@Lee1977 receiver hitch appears to be much stronger, more robust, and distributes the forces of towing rear implements better than that of the WH clevis hitch. Ignoring that the receiver hitch can not raise or lower like the clevis, am I correct in my assumption that the receiver hitch is far superior for mounting rear implements? If so, using the rear hitch is the way to go. I have some thoughts on how to fabricate a lifting mechanism using an actuator or winch that can be used to lower or raise the  mounting attachment (pin and plate) from the receiver hitch, and totally eliminating the WH designed clevis hitch, cabling, rock shaft etc.

Your thoughts?

Thanks! David

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 25,497]

Thanks for the tag!

 

I do not have personal experience with clevis hitches, so I will be following along to get advice too. I love your idea of making it an attachment to the 2" receiver... Let's see what the experts say...

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

The rear clevis hitch is mainly for "gardening" implements (ie 10" moldboard plow, cultivators, disc, rear grader blade ect) that do do weight all that much with the most forces being produce by the moldboard plow for turning fresh sod over to start a garden, think of it more as a fairly simple lightweight 3pt hitch set up (the drawbar pin either side 2pts and the cable 1pt) and the drawbar pin is your fulcrum point allowing the implement to raise raise and lower for transport or use and to follow (float with) the grade of the terrain without having to keep making "lift" adjustments. The single point pin in the factory application is positioned "level" with the drawbar pin but swings throughout the axis as it travels lower for "sinking" the plow below grade or above for transport, and technically most implements will be "level" to the drawbar pin for their intended purposes like the rear grader blades. I am sure others will be along with a better explanation. Now as far as keeping the receiver hitch and using this as well maybe a cable completely from the rock shaft through the trans tube back to the rear rock shaft location then using a solid idler shaft with a pulley down through the receiver ( drill through and tube guide here as well) to the clevis hitch pull strap? @Handy Don what's your thoughts on this idea?

Edited March 6, 2021 by WVHillbilly520H

[DennisThornton 4,769]

Wow! Might not be able to do that question justice but I'll add my 2 cents.

 

Receiver offers a very robust means to hold something right where it is and tow it around.

Clevis can lift and lower an implement to engage/disengage and transport.  That lifting ability can of course set it's height within its limits.  Working ground engaging tools such as box blades, scrapers, landscape rakes beg for a lift from time to time.  Wagons, sleds, carts and such just want a tow.

 

Best world would be to have both and if I only had one tractor I'd still want both.  I've not done the receiver hitch on a WH but I intend to.  If I had to choose one or the other AND I had tools that use a lifting hitch I'd chose the clevis.  I expect my receiver will go on a tractor dedicated to moving things around or perhaps holding a vise, winch or the like.

 

Hope that helps a bit.

Edited March 6, 2021 by DennisThornton
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[Handy Don 12,167]

Mount the 2" receiver on the front and the clevis sleeve hitch on the back? 

[cschannuth 3,816]

@David414  Thank you for the tag. I’ve been married for over 30 years so I’m not used to people asking my opinion, ha ha. I have a slot hitch tractor, a clevis hitch tractor, and a couple that have a receiver hitch. I don’t have the clevis tractor nearby but I can tell you something that actually works well for me is a slot hitch with different adapters. The slot hitch and the bottom of my receiver hitch are both approximately 10 inches off the ground. I would assume that the pin on my clevis hitch would be similar height. To me, that would create natural interference if you tried to have the clevis and receiver hitch on the same tractor without some modification as you’ve stated already.  
 

Depending on what you’re going to use your single tractor for, the slot hitch might be just the ticket for you. I have different adapters that I slide in and it can be used for anything. It would not be as robust as the receiver hitch for towing because the cable basically supports the weight from the tongue but it is very flexible. In fact, when I’m towing a small utility trailer I insert my ball adapter and back up to the trailer with the hitch adjusted down low and once the ball is under the trailer hitch I simply lift up on the lift arm and it hooks it up without me even having to get off the tractor. It’s just a thought. If I had one tractor, that slot hitch with different adapters would be my go to.  

[ranger 1,746]

Not a receiver or clevis hitch, but it does go up and down!

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

3 minutes ago, ranger said:

Not a receiver or clevis hitch, but it does go up and down!

Now you done did it, opened up "Pandora's Box" most will be wanting your secret recipe for a 3pt rear hitch.   

BTW good job good engineering and final assembly on that, this is what makes this hobby and forum so great many many ideas to solve a problem.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

@ranger You been holding out on us?  That's going to take more than one post with a few pics.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

2 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Mount the 2" receiver on the front and the clevis sleeve hitch on the back? 

Would be really handy for maneuvering trailers in tight spaces AND for holding a vise, winch or.  Quick on and off for the hitch as well has what it holds or tows.  I think that would have been a great additional item for WH/TORO to have offered. 

Some great ideas come out of this group!

That is definitely on my ToDo list!

[ranger 1,746]

17 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

@ranger You been holding out on us?  That's going to take more than one post with a few pics.

Search : 3 point hitch / roper 38” tiller.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 hour ago, ranger said:

Search : 3 point hitch / roper 38” tiller.

Not having any luck with the combinations I've tried so far.

[ranger 1,746]

24 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Not having any luck with the combinations I've tried so far.

Try Roper tiller in search, page 3, 2nd post.

Sorry, I don’t know how to insert links to other posts 🤔

Edited March 6, 2021 by ranger

[DennisThornton 4,769]

Tried that before.  If you find it you can copy the entire link from your browser and past it into your post.

[ranger 1,746]

2 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Tried that before.  If you find it you can copy the entire link from your browser and past it into your post.

How do you do that with an IPad?

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 minute ago, ranger said:

How do you do that with an IPad?

Don't know, but I assume that a TAP on the URL or TAP & HOLD,  then wait for a drop down should offer a copy function. 

[Handy Don 12,167]

6 minutes ago, ranger said:

How do you do that with an IPad?

Once you are on the correct page, tap ONCE in the search/address space at the of the page (where it says "wheelhorseforum.com"). The display changes to show the actual address of the page (called a URL). It should be fully highlighted in light blue.  Tap ONCE again and you should see the Cut and Copy options. Tap ONCE on Copy.

 

Navigate to to the thread where you want to post, start a post, and when the cursor is where you want the line to appear, tap TWICE on that spot and choose PASTE.

Edited March 6, 2021 by Handy Don

[David414 289]

4 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Mount the 2" receiver on the front and the clevis sleeve hitch on the back? 

@Handy Don

Already did the front hitch! 

[ranger 1,746]

16 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Once you are on the correct page, tap ONCE in the search/address space at the of the page (where it says "wheelhorseforum.com"). The display changes to show the actual address of the page (called a URL). It should be fully highlighted in light blue.  Tap ONCE again and you should see the Cut and Copy options. Tap ONCE on Copy.

 

Navigate to to the thread where you want to post, start a post, and when the cursor is where you want the line to appear, tap TWICE on that spot and choose PASTE.

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/87142-3-point-hitch-roper-38-tiller/?tab=comments#comment-875224

At last. Well thats something I’ve learned today. Two milestones, 1. I’ve had my first covid jab, 2 I’ve learned how to embed an url!

thank you gentlemen!

[DennisThornton 4,769]

23 minutes ago, ranger said:

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/87142-3-point-hitch-roper-38-tiller/?tab=comments#comment-875224

At last. Well thats something I’ve learned today. Two milestones, 1. I’ve had my first covid jab, 2 I’ve learned how to embed an url!

thank you gentlemen!

Then you just had a great day!  Made mine better too!  Really impressive build!

Thanks for hunting it down for me and sharing!

[elcamino/wheelhorse 9,297]

@ranger DId you post to M O M at same time and what was the Title of the post.

[Handy Don 12,167]

3 hours ago, ranger said:

I’ve learned how to embed an url!

thank you gentlemen!

My pleasure!

[ranger 1,746]

6 hours ago, elcamino/wheelhorse said:

@ranger DId you post to M O M at same time and what was the Title of the post.

Quite possibly, I’ll have a look 👀 https://myoldmachine.com/topic/6444-trying-out-the-ropervator-and-fitting-a-3-point-hitch/?tab=comments#comment-59865  There we are, found it, (and get to embed another url)

Edited March 7, 2021 by ranger