Trying my hand at hand planing

[Pullstart 62,912]

I don’t see any identification marks on this plane, but I honed it with my flat plate and some 600 grit.  It’s adjusted to barely take wood and is working.  I don’t know if I’m right or wrong...  I’m only massaging the edges to take up less gap before glue and clamping.

 

@formariz @The Tuul Crib

 

 

[Pullstart 62,912]

Rylee got new paper out of the deal.

 

[squonk 41,155]

I read this at first as "planning" Should have known better. Carry on! 

[Pullstart 62,912]

14 minutes ago, squonk said:

I read this at first as "planning" Should have known better. Carry on! 

 

nooooo... not me!

[formariz 11,987]

Markings on that plane are in the front end grain. Cutter should also be marked at top. It is either a Stanley 28 or a 29. It is called a transitional plane. What it means is that it was the ones that started making the transition of wood planes to metal. It combines the advantage of a wood plane along with the ease of adjustment of a metal plane. Yours is a Foreplane which was the one between a Jack and a Jointer. That is a great plane, in my opinion that type of plane is perhaps the best type there is once one considers all of its advantages over others and how well balanced they are.

 

If your intention is to smooth the face of those boards, although you can use it, but it is the wrong plane. It is too long. It will ride over the low spots and cut the high ones. That plane is really intended to straighten a board (on face) or straighten the edge of board. If you use it to smooth faces of board make sure you have that board on a very straight table along length of board or it will drive you nuts by just cutting at ends or center of board.

Seems that you are using it to straighten board edges to glue them together. You have then the right plane. Start at end putting pressure on front of plane. as plane is fully on board adjust pressure so it is even on front and back of plane. As you exit on other end put the pressure on the back of plane only. Once plane takes a continuous shaving from beginning to end , board should be relatively straight. Hardest part is to keep edge square. Takes lots of practice so don't be discouraged. Most woodworkers today cannot do that by hand with such a tool. Not that they would not be capable, but they just never learned or had enough practice. Trick to having a good joint on those boards is to also have board slightly hollow in middles so edges touch with no clamping pressure. You may be better off gluing two boards each time if you never did that before. It is less of a panic. Clamp also a straight edge across face of boards to keep them straight that way.

 

Again, don't get discouraged or frustrated. You are doing something that few carpenters are able to do properly.

 

I will make a short video so you can refer to it and post it in a little bit.

Edited March 2, 2021 by formariz

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 hour ago, pullstart said:

Rylee got new paper out of the deal.

 

Nice shaving!  

[DennisThornton 4,769]

You can also place two boards together with their bottom faces together so you have the two joining edges clamped together.  If you aren't perfectly 90 degrees to the faces the errors will cancel and mate perfectly well anyway.  

One of the biggest problems I've had is not holding the plane "in plane" as I start and finish my strokes and then rounding off the start and finish of my stroke.  Get good at that, number your boards and then swap through clamping and planing as you go.

[formariz 11,987]

@pullstartHere you go . Edge jointing 101.

 

https://youtu.be/6JnM9Uxsjic

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by formariz

[DennisThornton 4,769]

14 minutes ago, formariz said:

@pullstartHere you go . Edge jointing 101.

 Somehow I am having difficulty with Utube. Hopefully you can see it.

IMG_5518.MOV 1.43 GB · 1 download

Difficulty?  Not just you.  1.43GB is troublesome to others as well.  Some of us backwoods folks have 10-15 gig per month limit.  That's a big chunk of our monthly diet.  Folks on fiber, not so much, but me, ain't no way.  Too big.

[formariz 11,987]

8 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Difficulty?  Not just you.  1.43GB is troublesome to others as well.  Some of us backwoods folks have 10-15 gig per month limit.  That's a big chunk of our monthly diet.  Folks on fiber, not so much, but me, ain't no way.  Too big.

LOL. Trying to fix that. OK its fixed. Its actually easier to joint two boards by hand than it is to publish something on uTube.

Edited March 2, 2021 by formariz

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 minute ago, formariz said:

LOL. Trying to fix that

When YouTube came out I was on REALLY low speed dial-up which made YouTube pretty close to worthless so I thought YouTube was a stupid idea and would never catch on.  Seems it's done a little better than I predicted.

Moved up to satellite and now YouTube ain't bad, just sucks up my bandwidth before my month is up!  Just this afternoon I spoke to some Verizon service techs having a break close to my mailbox.  Said that I've been seeing great big spools with "Corning" printed on them nearby.  Yep!  Maybe sometime in the next year I'll have fiber!  WoW!  21st century at last!

[8ntruck 7,016]

I saw the title about hand planning, and knowing Kev's past history, I almost expected a story about a visit to his favorite Ready Care center .

[DennisThornton 4,769]

3 hours ago, pullstart said:

I don’t see any identification marks on this plane, but I honed it with my flat plate and some 600 grit.  It’s adjusted to barely take wood and is working.  I don’t know if I’m right or wrong...  I’m only massaging the edges to take up less gap before glue and clamping.

 

@formariz @The Tuul Crib

 

 

Not to poo-poo your admirable efforts, but why not tongue and groove?

 You can do that by hand plane too.  Well, if you have the now two planes.

Either way you'll have to deal with humidity changes and either those boards changing or THAT board changing a LOT.

[formariz 11,987]

1 minute ago, DennisThornton said:

Not to poo-poo your admirable efforts, but why not tongue and groove?

 You can do that by hand plane too.  Well, if you have the now two planes.

He has enough to think about now LOL. For his purpose the tongue and groove would only make it easer to keep board faces aligned but creates other issues in that situation. A simple edge joint is about the best for that purpose. If done correctly that joint will actually be stronger than the boards themselves at any other point. Boards will break somewhere else but never at the glue joint.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

3 minutes ago, formariz said:

He has enough to think about now LOL. For his purpose the tongue and groove would only make it easer to keep board faces aligned but creates other issues in that situation. A simple edge joint is about the best for that purpose. If done correctly that joint will actually be stronger than the boards themselves at any other point. Boards will break somewhere else but never at the glue joint.

But he has to allow for expansion/contraction no matter what.  That's going to be one BIG board!  And for what, a barn door?  Or have I missed something?

[Ed Kennell 38,227]

 Tried My Hand at Planing.........   Oh man, I thought we were gonna see some great fishing videos.    

 

[formariz 11,987]

3 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

But he has to allow for expansion/contraction no matter what.  That's going to be one BIG board!  And for what, a barn door?  Or have I missed something?

If it is a table he needs to put ends on it which will keep table from cupping and allow for wood movement. That is another chapter. If it is a barn  door he can just put battens on the inside screwed with slots for movement, or a sliding dovetail if he wants to get fancy.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

2 minutes ago, formariz said:

If it is a table he needs to put ends on it which will keep table from cupping and allow for wood movement. That is another chapter. If it is a barn  door he can just put battens on the inside screwed with slots for movement, or a sliding dovetail if he wants to get fancy.

I thought it was a barn door.  If so it's just getting more attention than I'd allocate.  He'll chime in shortly.  Hey!  Maybe it's a REAL fancy barndoor for FANCY WHs!  Don't know.  Either way I'll be most happy to help him in either direction!

 

While we're here,  what glue do you prefer for edge gluing?  I've chosen Titebond III for weathered uses.

[953 nut 55,321]

36 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

But he has to allow for expansion/contraction no matter what.  That's going to be one BIG board!  And for what, a barn door?  Or have I missed something?

  The key to gluing success on wide panels is to alternate the growth rings of the boards to minimize the warpage of the overall panel.

To allow for expansion and contraction and keep the door as straight as possible I would suggest sandwiching the panel between two  boards and slotting the door panel boards where the fastener passes through to join the two support boards.

[Pullstart 62,912]

Wow, thanks for so much to soak up, y’all!  I am building barn doors for closets, doorways, etc for my house and a customer’s project as well.  I was surely thinking of doing two glue ups per door, then joining the halves together.  I’ll make sure my growth rings are alternating and there will be some decorative/supportive second layers too.

 

 

[Ed Kennell 38,227]

Not to go , but has this barn door project  cancelled syrup boiling?      The Sugar Shack has been steaming for a couple weeks.

 

 

[Pullstart 62,912]

My syrup partner and I are both pretty busy with various projects @Ed Kennell, we haven’t even tapped yet.  Here, we’re in the middle of week two of the season.  We found a local co-op that will do a 50/50 share on sap to syrup counts.  If we bring 40 gallons of sap to them, they give 1/2 gallon of syrup, etc.  We might just tap a ton of trees and bring them an IBC tote or two and call it season, unfortunately.  I still have 5+ gallons from last year that I haven’t picked up from his house yet!

[formariz 11,987]

56 minutes ago, pullstart said:

Wow, thanks for so much to soak up, y’all!  I am building barn doors for closets, doorways, etc for my house and a customer’s project as well.  I was surely thinking of doing two glue ups per door, then joining the halves together.  I’ll make sure my growth rings are alternating and there will be some decorative/supportive second layers too.

 

 

 

 

Good project. This is the last one I built. It was a bit bigger at 6x8

[bc.gold 3,403]

3 hours ago, DennisThornton said:

When YouTube came out I was on REALLY low speed dial-up which made YouTube pretty close to worthless so I thought YouTube was a stupid idea and would never catch on.  Seems it's done a little better than I predicted.

Moved up to satellite and now YouTube ain't bad, just sucks up my bandwidth before my month is up!  Just this afternoon I spoke to some Verizon service techs having a break close to my mailbox.  Said that I've been seeing great big spools with "Corning" printed on them nearby.  Yep!  Maybe sometime in the next year I'll have fiber!  WoW!  21st century at last!

 

If you download the video you will save bandwidth that the ads are leaching from ya.

 

 

[Pullstart 62,912]

 Cas, thank you so much for the tutorial!  I even learned you don’t loosen the blade clamp to adjust the screw!