Flip up snow plow wings

[ebinmaine 67,310]

59 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

If you use the drawings, I expect to see pictures of the build! 

Drawings or no drawings. 

I don't care if you scribble the design in chalk in the driveway. 

There just should be pictures. 

[Pullstart 62,807]

@Handy Don great prototype sketches!  Yeah, what I was thinking in a roundabout way!

[Tractorhead 9,064]

How about A flat spring instead of a hinge?

 

could be a advance to built a Flip- sidewing.

will sketch it for discussion later , actually no paper aside.

[ebinmaine 67,310]

50 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

How about A flat spring instead of a hinge?

 

could be a advance to built a Flip- sidewing.

will sketch it for discussion later , actually no paper aside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Here are just a few quick sketches, not a too Detailed one, just for ideaexchange.

 

 

that will be the inner side of the plowblade, just right side is sketched.

i would go with a Flat spring like the one under the Seat‘s.

drilling a hole in 3/4 oversize and weld a Bearingtube on.

 

That Flatspring is screwed onto Blade, where the Flatspring dimension is cutted out of the blade for better alignment.

 

2 3/4“ bearings be the hinge to be able to move the bladewing.( they should be stiff enough to resist the Load of the Wing.

 

 

on the outside of the wing also a piece of tube is Welded, that holds the second Bearing that is just secured with a 3/4“ Screw selftapped.

 

 

a better sight of the idea

 

On top of the Blade a pulleymount will be established, that was able to feed a Steelrope to move the Wing.

the steelrope can be passed on the Flatspring mount with another pulley to change the ropedirection.

 

with a Wipermotor that Wings can be later electrical moved comfy from the Seat.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 hour ago, Tractorhead said:

Here are just a few quick sketches, not a too Detailed one, just for ideaexchange.

 

 

that will be the inner side of the plowblade, just right side is sketched.

i would go with a Flat spring like the one under the Seat‘s.

drilling a hole in 3/4 oversize and weld a Bearingtube on.

 

That Flatspring is screwed onto Blade, where the Flatspring dimension is cutted out of the blade for better alignment.

 

2 3/4“ bearings be the hinge to be able to move the bladewing.( they should be stiff enough to resist the Load of the Wing.

 

 

on the outside of the wing also a piece of tube is Welded, that holds the second Bearing that is just secured with a 3/4“ Screw selftapped.

 

 

a better sight of the idea

 

On top of the Blade a pulleymount will be established, that was able to feed a Steelrope to move the Wing.

the steelrope can be passed on the Flatspring mount with another pulley to change the ropedirection.

 

with a Wipermotor that Wings can be later electrical moved comfy from the Seat.

Wow!  Wasn't expecting that!  I do think that used wiper motors are underused!  Got to think about that.  Before I would get that involved I'd do something real simple and see of the basic idea is valid.  Rumors of light snow today so maybe I can try something. 

 

Earlier this morning I thought about a fairly weak spring door hinge that would try to keep the blade at the correct angle but would easily be pushed completely out of the way as snow really pushes on it and even fold pointing to the rear but return under no load.  So a coil spring on a hinge pin with one end of the spring's bent up tang pushing against the wing and the other tang static.

 

WHAT graphic program did you use?

Edited February 14, 2021 by DennisThornton

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Rhinoceros 3D

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Thinkering also about the Snowblower i purchased as an oops.😎

 

it was basically built for a 2 Wheeler walk behind with 56cm Workwith, but i thinker to rework it for the 656.

I have 2 possible scenarios.

 

1. a Wing- system to collect the Snow firstly down from 95cm to the 56 cm before the Blower hit‘s it.

2. Spreading the complete Blower on each side at about 20 cm to fit the complete Front of the Horse

 

Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages, but i just will finally decide when i did finished my Tests.

Actual i still wait for a pulley’s to do some tests with it also if the snow is gone here,

that test results will give me a feeling to decide what way i will go.

Because i have no experiences with a blower, there are some unknown about that built like Throttle responding and torque and even needed RPM to work as it should. Maybe i need a separate Engine ( i have a predator still prepared in spare allready) just for the Blower itself, to release the Tracta Engine only for moving and drive.

Another crazy idea could may be a Leaf collector with the blower for Autum cleanup..

 

No finally decision is taken for now and i planed first use in next year.

We will see how it ends up.

[ebinmaine 67,310]

27 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

a separate Engine ( i have a predator still prepared in spare allready) just for the Blower itself, to release the Tracta Engine only for moving and drive

 

 

I'd HIGHLY advise going that direction if it's a possibility at all. 

The 6 hp on that 656 would work ok but it will be plenty taxes running the blower as well. 

Best case would be to have separate power for separate tasks. 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

31 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

 

 

I'd HIGHLY advise going that direction if it's a possibility at all. 

The 6 hp on that 656 would work ok but it will be plenty taxes running the blower as well. 

Best case would be to have separate power for separate tasks. 

- off topic- 

I think also the same Way but we will see.

The Engine for the Blower’s Walk behind Tracta have originally just 4,5HP ( given by the manufacturers Datasheet)

So it may be it is enough power available on the Horse.

However i will built the mount for both Variants ( external engine and horse engine.

but i ain‘t capture that thread, so back to topic

[JoeM 7,871]

how about looking at how they did this

 

[DennisThornton 4,769]

20 minutes ago, JoeM said:

how about looking at how they did this

 

I like it.  A little different function from what I can see if it stays on and is always engaged in snow.  I assume the wings are either plowing straight or at a forward angle.  I'm not sure my little horse can take a wider plow so I'm looking for wings that somehow get out of the way.

[ebinmaine 67,310]

38 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

  I assume the wings are either plowing straight or at a forward angle

Neat rig. 

They'll go either straight or in scoop mode. 

 

They're built for commercial plow folk. 

Going down the road a plow can only be 8'-6" wide. Those slide outs add as much as 2-1/2 feet for 11' total in straight mode. 

 

Disclaimer: 

I do not use or advertise for or against Western or any other plows. 

 

Here's a commercial. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DennisThornton 4,769]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

Neat rig. 

They'll go either straight or in scoop mode. 

 

They're built for commercial plow folk. 

Going down the road a plow can only be 8'-6" wide. Those slide outs add as much as 2-1/2 feet for 11' total in straight mode. 

 

Disclaimer: 

I do not use or advertise for or against Western or any other plows. 

 

Here's a commercial. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is SO awesome!  SO much AWESOME and SO little time...

So who here is going to build that first prototype for our WHs?

Wiper motors again?  I mentioned spring loaded door springs earlier now I need HD powered door springs!  Flip partly forward, return to straight and the flip to the rear out of the way.  Ok!  Who's up?

[Tractorhead 9,064]

39 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

That is SO awesome!  SO much AWESOME and SO little time...

So who here is going to build that first prototype for our WHs?

Wiper motors again?  I mentioned spring loaded door springs earlier now I need HD powered door springs!  Flip partly forward, return to straight and the flip to the rear out of the way.  Ok!  Who's up?

 

Firstly need hydraulics 👍

[DennisThornton 4,769]

27 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

 

Firstly need hydraulics 👍

Wiper motors!

[Handy Don 12,163]

30 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Wiper motors!

Wiper motor may not withstand the impacts these would receive. Similarly shock-susceptible, but equally as available, power window actuators (which are already directional and have limit switches).

I'd also look at the door/tailgate opening/closing motors for minivans and SUVs. Again, directional and with limit switches.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

2 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Wiper motor may not withstand the impacts these would receive. Similarly shock-susceptible, but equally as available, power window actuators (which are already directional and have limit switches).

I'd also look at the door/tailgate opening/closing motors for minivans and SUVs. Again, directional and with limit switches.

No.  Wiper motors won't handle much stress.  They might flip up though.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

24 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

No.  Wiper motors won't handle much stress.  They might flip up though.

Yeah, I could see some humor in there but I was serious. 

 

If the wiper motor would flip the wing up where there is no stress and then back down where the wing would be braced by the blade and whatever else, I could see it working.  Easy to run and wire 12 volts.

[Handy Don 12,163]

39 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Yeah, I could see some humor in there but I was serious. 

 

If the wiper motor would flip the wing up where there is no stress and then back down where the wing would be braced by the blade and whatever else, I could see it working.  Easy to run and wire 12 volts.

When you put it that way, I get where you're going. (changing my reaction)

With a wiper motor you'd always need to complete the cycle and stop at the bottom or top. Window or door motor lets you reverse and stops at the limits.

[Handy Don 12,163]

1 hour ago, DennisThornton said:

Yeah, I could see some humor in there but I was serious. 

 

If the wiper motor would flip the wing up where there is no stress and then back down where the wing would be braced by the blade and whatever else, I could see it working.  Easy to run and wire 12 volts.

Oh, and I somewhat belatedly add, the the flip up model makes more sense to me too!

[Tractorhead 9,064]

Depending on ratio between the wipermotor in relaition to the movement of the wings.

if this system is built as a closed loop system,

it can be made one rotation will flip the left side up, the right side down and vice versa.

My suggestion was just a quick lookahead for a idea not a finalized solution.

But thanks for the Flowers.

 

As a closed loop system each wipercycle cycle liftts one wing and drops the other side so no endstops required.

Also a load balance is given and no load except the movement is on the motor - or i‘m wrong?

 

The weight of both wings must be the same.

 

the Hydraulic Plowshield as shown in the Vid may weight the same as our whole tractas minimum.

sure - also this Hydraulic plow can be rebuilt in scale smaller.

[Handy Don 12,163]

3 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

Depending on ratio between the wipermotor in relaition to the movement of the wings.

if this system is built as a closed loop system,

it can be made one rotation will flip the left side up, the right side down and vice versa.

My suggestion was just a quick lookahead for a idea not a finalized solution.

But thanks for the Flowers.

 

As a closed loop system each wipercycle cycle liftts one wing and drops the other side so no endstops required.

Also a load balance is given and no load except the movement is on the motor - or i‘m wrong?

 

The weight of both wings must be the same.

 

the Hydraulic Plowshield as shown in the Vid may weight the same as our whole tractas minimum.

sure - also this Hydraulic plow can be rebuilt in scale smaller.

I agree on the looping. Was thinking separate motors. Also, if there is an obstruction, a wiper motor cannot "back up".

[Tractorhead 9,064]

1 minute ago, Handy Don said:

I agree on the looping. Was thinking separate motors. Also, if there is an obstruction, a wiper motor cannot "back up".

 

Never tested but if the interrupt will work on both directions it can simply be solved by a centered cross switch for both directions.

 

like.

Right rotation

stop

Left rotation

[Handy Don 12,163]

7 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

 

Never tested but if the interrupt will work on both directions it can simply be solved by a centered cross switch for both directions.

 

like.

Right rotation

stop

Left rotation

I'm not convinced a wiper motor will even run in reverse even with the DPDT switch to change the voltage direction. My sense is they are designed to run well in one direction only. Window motors are specifically built to be bi-directional.