NAPA Platinum Oil Filters?

[JoeM 7,874]

Here we go again.

Of late I have been using NAPA Oil Filters. I am not to brand specific, more $ specific this how this come to be. My brother is tight with local guy that owns a store and swayed me in that direction. I know they are WIX manufactured and back in my maintenance days WIX was a good quality supplier. So I started using the NAPA stuff. Especially the Gold 1410 on the hydro.  I like that filter, 10 micron and hydraulic oil design. (As a side note on the hydro, I started using IH rated Trans Hydraulic and things got smoother and more quiet. the additive package matches the application???). but anyway the just of this is now I hear you can for a couple more bucks get these platinum filters. Synthetic media they say. Okay I'm in. So in the mean time I started looking around and found this video. Compares disassembled filters but no dirt holding capacity testing. But interesting to say the least. 

Did I waste my money? Might not live long enough to find out? 
 

 

 

[WHNJ701 4,165]

The napa buy us is terrible just about everything "they can get it here by tommorow" is the typical answer.

I used fram filters forever or motorcraft.

I stopped changing oil in vehicles anymore it's not worth my time/money or disposal.  28 bucks for the truck and free car car wash at the local shop, wife's suv takes some 0 weight synthetic and it's every 7500 miles.  It's convenient on the way home 15 minutes and your done

[Pollack Pete 2,273]

I've seen the platinum filters at the local NAPA store.Supposedly better than the gold?? I use the Napa gold in my vehicles and heavy equipment.Lots easier going to the NAPA store rather than the other make believe auto parts stores where the kids look at me like I'm speaking Yugoslavian when I ask for an oil filter for a Michigan 125B or a Caterpillar D3C.They can't even seem to cross reference a filter number when I give it to them. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Pollack Pete

[JoeM 7,874]

36 minutes ago, jabelman said:

I stopped changing oil in vehicles

Yeah, me too.

This filter thing all came up when I ask for some filters for my 520LXI tractor. It has a Kawasaki engine and was out. He got those 1410s for the hydro and I was headed over that way and said what the heck get me some filters. More choices now!

[tunahead72 2,424]

1 hour ago, JoeM said:

... Compares disassembled filters but no dirt holding capacity testing...

 

That's a really well done video on the topic, one of the better ones I've seen.  And I was surprised that the more expensive filters actually had less filter material than the cheaper ones.  And like you said, he didn't check the actual dirt holding capacity, but I'm not sure how you would even do that.  Also, from the comments on YouTube for this video, some guys are saying these aren't even made by Wix any more, so it's almost impossible to tell what filter you're actually getting unless you cut them apart and test them yourself.

 

1 hour ago, jabelman said:

... I stopped changing oil in vehicles anymore it's not worth my time/money or disposal.  28 bucks for the truck and free car car wash at the local shop, wife's suv takes some 0 weight synthetic and it's every 7500 miles.  It's convenient on the way home 15 minutes and your done

 

Personally, I would stay away from the quick oil change places, any of them.  Years ago my wife used to take "her" vehicle to one of the local chains, for the same reasons you described.  I expressed my concerns, she ignored them and kept taking the car there, and it all finally ended when I brought it to my regular mechanic for inspection, and he showed me the hack job they'd done on the drain plug.  They'd stripped the threads on the pan, forced the plug back in with some kind of thick sealant and called it done.  My mechanic made a proper repair, and I've been going to him ever since.  Yeah, he's more expensive, but it's incredibly unlikely that anybody in my family will ever dump a pan full of oil on the ground while they're driving.  Just my 

 

[WHX?? 48,834]

Coincidence you should bring this up Joe. I was looking for hydraulic & oil filters for my Kubota RTV500 side x side  and ran across a vid done by a Kubota dealer where he cut open the wix/napa line up and OEM 'botas and the results were surprising. 

The reason I was shopping is Kubota is quite proud of theirs. Over $100 for the three filters it uses! 

Kubota: Kubota RTV500 Filter Kit (s/n >=19025), Part # 77700-02184 (messicks.com)

I can cut that in half if I go with a kit that uses a Wix, Baldwin and a Donaldson. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by WHX24

[WHX?? 48,834]

2 hours ago, jabelman said:

napa buy us is terrible just about everything "they can get it here by tommorow" is the typical answer.

Same here but I get asked "what's it for" and I answer a  I get the look. Fortunately this Napa is right across the street from a used to be Horse dealer so they get it. So understandable they don't have it when  I go to Napa for odd ball seals for a tractor. I have a gal at a Napa who's got the knack for doing crosses. 

[JoeM 7,874]

about 20 years ago I was involved with some large control start transmissions. We had an issue with the oil foaming and of course the manufacture was involved. After some finger pointing by the oil guys and then the filter guys the OE said the reason we had the issues was because we were using aftermarket filters and these filters we stripping the anti foam agent from the oil. During a meeting the OE brought a box of their golden filters placed them on the table and said you need to use these. The filters had no numbers or name just painted green. One of the maintenance foreman picked up one of the filters during the discussions and started to look it over. He took his finger nail and scratched the green paint a bit.....then it hit the fan, the name on the filter under the paint. the same filters we had been using. 

The only thing that was right, yes the filter was an issue. A good filter, wrong application.  We called in out sourced filter company and they provided a engineer that got us a filter that worked. 

They lost a good bit of our business. 

[JoeM 7,874]

54 minutes ago, tunahead72 said:

quick oil change places

Not to many here. We use a locally owned place. Have to have an appointment but they are certified mechanics and honest. The owner works on the cars himself. And he owns a wheel horse!

Edited December 9, 2020 by JoeM

[WHX?? 48,834]

1 hour ago, tunahead72 said:

stay away from the quick oil change places, any of them. 

Now Tuna my boy used to work for a Valvoline quick change place and now a Car X doing changes. Says he even does brake jobs now! 

 

I could never teach him any mechanical skills...hopefully someone did!

 

 You know these quick change places have a hard time finding good help! I'll stick to changing my own for now thank you! 

[WHX?? 48,834]

Napa Filters VS Kubota Filters - Do you need OEM filters? - YouTube

[lynnmor 7,315]

I bought a new Ford diesel truck and they gave me two free oil changes because of all the wasted time at delivery.  First oil change they put way too much oil in it, took it back and they did it again!  I drained out 2 and a quarter quarts more than what it should be.  Sent a sample to Blackstone Labs and they reported no engine damage but it is the wrong oil.  I never went back for my second free oil change, I can't afford it.  That is my extent of using others to do this simple job in well over a half of a century. Another visit to have sticking caliper repaired resulted in them denying warranty and asking for $700 to fix it, I declined, brought it home and found the brake hose clothe-lined across the coil spring.  I have no idea how folks can get by depending on these monkeys to maintain there vehicles, keep in mind that this was one of the largest Ford dealers in my area.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

7 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

I bought a new Ford diesel truck and they gave me two free oil changes because of all the wasted time at delivery.  First oil change they put way too much oil in it, took it back and they did it again!  I drained out 2 and a quarter quarts more than what it should be.  Sent a sample to Blackstone Labs and they reported no engine damage but it is the wrong oil.  I never went back for my second free oil change, I can't afford it.  That is my extent of using others to do this simple job in well over a half of a century. Another visit to have sticking caliper repaired resulted in them denying warranty and asking for $700 to fix it, I declined, brought it home and found the brake hose clothe-lined across the coil spring.  I have no idea how folks can get by depending on these monkeys to maintain there vehicles, keep in mind that this was one of the largest Ford dealers in my area.

I've seen too much nonsense from auto dealers for me to ever go to one again unless it's a warranty issue.  Hopefully others are getting better service but I'm done.

[ohiofarmer 3,276]

Thanks for the info on the filter. I wound up with a motocraft on one C-145 and the gold on the other..

[oilwell1415 563]

4 hours ago, tunahead72 said:

Personally, I would stay away from the quick oil change places, any of them.  Years ago my wife used to take "her" vehicle to one of the local chains, for the same reasons you described.  I expressed my concerns, she ignored them and kept taking the car there, and it all finally ended when I brought it to my regular mechanic for inspection, and he showed me the hack job they'd done on the drain plug.  They'd stripped the threads on the pan, forced the plug back in with some kind of thick sealant and called it done.  My mechanic made a proper repair, and I've been going to him ever since.  Yeah, he's more expensive, but it's incredibly unlikely that anybody in my family will ever dump a pan full of oil on the ground while they're driving.  Just my 

 

^^^^This.  Back in my mechanic days I worked at a shop right up the street from a few quick lube places.  They were our best customers.  There was rarely a day we didn't have a stripped drain plug, broken lug stud, or some other kind of damage come in from them.  One of them broke a camshaft on a Toyota Matrix during an oil change.  Another they over torqued the oil filter and unseated the filter adapter causing the filter to blow off going down the highway and pump all of the oil out.  But I think my favorite was a Cadillac that came in for a strange noise. The guy picked it up and it made a noise while driving, so he took it back.  Their "technician" said he didn't hear anything when he drove it, so they told him it was nothing they did and sent him on his way.  He brought it to us and when our tech took it on a test drive the right rear wheel came off going up the onramp to the highway.  After that they admitted that they had checked the brakes and forgotten to retorque the wheels.  The kicker on all of these repairs?  If you read their service agreements they are not liable for anything above the cost of the actual work they do.  You can lawyer up and usually get them to take care of you, but you signed the contract and agreed to their terms.  There is a reason they can change your oil for less money than you can buy decent oil and filter for and still make enough money to keep their doors open.  They use substandard materials and substandard labor.  It is well worth your money to pay a reputable shop $50-60 for an oil change if for no other reason than you will have someone with more than two brain cells rubbing together looking your car over every few thousand miles.  It may be slightly more hassle than a quick lube place, but it's nowhere near the hassle of picking up the pieces when, not if, they screw up your car and leave you standing on the side of the road 100 miles from the nearest telephone pole in the New Mexico desert.

[Pollack Pete 2,273]

I still do all my own oil and filter changes.I agree what others have said about the quick  lube places.I believe every used vehicle I've ever bought had the oil drain plug looking like someone removed and installed it  with a pipe wrench.Have also had an oil plug so tight that someone before me must have installed it with an impact wrench.After my first oil change of my used vehicles,I go out and buy a new oil plug and gasket.I don't mind getting under my vehicles.While the oil is draining,I usually check all the other fluid levels under the hood.With the complexity of these newer vehicles,preventative maintenance is one of the things thats still pretty easy to do.

[squonk 41,165]

All this talk about Napa filters and nobody mentions me???? 

 

Back in the day, the main difference between Silver and Gold (despite what Yukon Cornelius says) was the amount of pleats. That was basically it. Now it's just the media that it's made out of. No way anybody should ever use a Fram or as far as I'm concerned don't use OEM Toro either. I cut open a Napa 1410 and the Toro. You will see the difference. If you want to see a Fram, Look at the Toro one and imagine cardboard end panel instead of steel. Enough said.

 

 

[305 380]

Napa Gold is made by Wix , uses the same part number as Wix with the first number omitted.   My understanding that the Napa Platinum  is also made by Wix and is the same as Wix XP.  

 

Wix XP is for synthetic oil with extended oil change intervals.....many of the new cars are going 6-8-10 thousand miles between changes

 

i think it is more important to use good oil , a decent filter and CHANGE IT REGULARLY . don't fall for that BS

[305 380]

on changing my owne oil...i do on my hot rods , motorcycle and Wheelhorses. on my daily driver Chevy Silverado i go to the quick lube a few blocks from me . i have never changed it myself. on my old `95 Chevy S-10 that i bought new i never changed it myself too, always had the same place do it.so it got the cheap oil and oil filter, but had almost 300,000 miles on it when i sold it and it ran great. i always had it changed at 3000-3500 miles.  they tell me the current owner brings it in for a oil change sometimes and now has over 400,000 and doing great

[DennisThornton 4,769]

It's so hard to keep up and so hard to say anything absolute anymore! But based on a whole lot of Internet browsing WIX is as good as it gets!  And yes, I gather that WIX makes at least some of NAPA's filters. 

Fram seems to own the other end of the market!

Odd how advertising can make up for lack of value in the actual product...

[oilwell1415 563]

Fram sucks, but they've got the spiffy high grip stuff on them to make them easier to twist off.  That's more important to most people than their missing/ineffective check valves and poor filter media.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

9 minutes ago, oilwell1415 said:

Fram sucks, but they've got the spiffy high grip stuff on them to make them easier to twist off.  That's more important to most people than their missing/ineffective check valves and poor filter media.

At least that makes it easy to get them off and replace with a good filter with something inside!

[WHX?? 48,834]

8 hours ago, lynnmor said:

I bought a new Ford diesel truck and they gave me two free oil changes 

Free for life with my Dodge Cummings ...they toast it with wrong oil they bought it back.

8 hours ago, lynnmor said:

depending on these monkeys to maintain there vehicles

 

8 hours ago, WHX24 said:

have a hard time finding good help! 

 

2 hours ago, squonk said:

All this talk about Napa filters and nobody mentions me???? 

We were trying to keep your horse hockey out of this discussion! 

[JohnD 145]

I was in the Ford dealership picking up my car from some warranty work a few years back.  I overheard the service tech on the phone with someone "We have to replace your PVC valve.  Ooh, it's bad...  but we can replace it for only $400..." 

 

Then there was the time I drove out of the quick oil change and saw the oil light come on as soon as I hit the road.  Luckily I had enough speed I shut off the ignition, turned in the other driveway, and coasted back up to the entrance.  "what are you doing back?   Go check your exit drive..."  The tech was horrified, and they fixed it right away (loose filter if I remember right).  At least they did good work every other time.  I've since relocated so I don't use that place anymore. 

 

This also reminds me of my second car, my first Chevy.  While doing the first oil change, I pulled the oil filter and said "that's stupid, why does Chevy put a seal on the block when there's one on the filter?"  (not realizing that it had stuck to the block from a PO's oil change).  It was about a year, and multiple oil changes, later that the old seal finally let loose when I pulled into a Big Boy for breakfast.  The oil light came on just before I shut the key off to go in.  Looking across the parking lot I had another streak of oil across the entire parking lot.  

 

But this thread is about hydro filters... 

[WheelhorseBob 1,549]

I started using Jiffy Lube a while ago but then I watched one of those investigation tv shows with undercover cameras. I will never and I mean never go to one again. Change all my own oil and will forever more. Do some research.