Easy attachment lift

[DennisThornton 4,769]

 Lots of ideas to DIY!

[8ntruck 6,991]

 @ebinmaine - put one of those on the back of Colssius to make a log skidder.

[ebinmaine 67,309]

1 hour ago, DennisThornton said:

 Lots of ideas to DIY!

Nice find. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, 8ntruck said:

 @ebinmaine - put one of those on the back of Colssius to make a log skidder.

I wouldn't use it as a log skidder anymore because we process at the tree cut site....

However!!!

 

I've thought this very thing about having a tow vehicle for our fleet. 

 

 

Hhhmmmmmm.....

[JoeM 7,871]

I kind of did something a few years back for a manual lift WH. Not as easy to use, worked okay, the thought was to be able to use it front or back.

[pfrederi 17,674]

Looking at the video all the attachment point are aft of the rear axle. Lift anything heavy and you ,may lift the front end off the ground....

[DennisThornton 4,769]

53 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

Looking at the video all the attachment point are aft of the rear axle. Lift anything heavy and you ,may lift the front end off the ground....

Certainly further limits its load but it still offers a lot of options to a lot of tractors without a lot of effort.

Edited December 9, 2020 by DennisThornton

[Handy Don 12,163]

1 minute ago, DennisThornton said:

Certainly further limits its load.

Another thing to consider is the current draw of the winch. Need sturdy wiring and battery with good capacity.

[Tractorhead 9,064]

4 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Another thing to consider is the current draw of the winch. Need sturdy wiring and battery with good capacity.

 

And/ or a good charging system.

[DennisThornton 4,769]

For just an implement lifter would a linear solenoid be better?

[elcamino/wheelhorse 9,296]

I have an electric actuator on one tractor that lifts and also provides down ward pressure . The actuator would limit the distance that an implement could be lifted.

[Handy Don 12,163]

4 hours ago, Tractorhead said:

 

And/ or a good charging system.

Even a small winch will draw 80-100 amps @12v when pulling a good load.  My Onan P218's alternator maxes at 30 amps and some of that has to keep the motor running.  It's the battery that the winch relies on.  Also, on a garden tractor, the battery's main job is delivering 10 seconds of heavy draw to the starter and then sitting back and getting recharged--it's optimized for that duty cycle. Running a winch for longer than that could draw it down to a life-shortening low charge.  Winch-carrying ATVs and off-roaders frequently put in a second battery or one optimized for longer cycles.

[ebinmaine 67,309]

3 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Winch-carrying ATVs and off-roaders frequently put in a second battery or one optimized for longer cycles.

Do we s'pose a group 65 out of a Ford truck would do alright with that?

That's what I figured on using for Colossus because I can get them used for about $40... Often. 

And it's very heavy. 

[Handy Don 12,163]

4 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Do we s'pose a group 65 out of a Ford truck would do alright with that?

That's what I figured on using for Colossus because I can get them used for about $40... Often. 

And it's very heavy. 

I just don't have the knowledge to answer that for sure. The ones I've seen advertised in the off-roader mags referred to "deep cycle" and "marine deep cycle".  Thinking that these are designed to get used down pretty far and still recharge safely without overheating or wrecking the plates (I know my brother-in-law's boat has separate engine and "house" batteries). Also thinking that they have a lower max cranking amperage.

Assuming the big truck battery is ready to start a big engine (and Colossus' doesn't register as big in this scale ), and that you aren't going to run a winch with a good load for more than a minute or so without giving the battery a good rest, my guess would be go for it.

[Tractorhead 9,064]

@Handy Don hit‘s the Point.

 

for lower loads that can be a good solution, but for longterm heavier load i think the Battery and Recharging system is the Limiter.

 

ok an Example a typically Atv winch drops 10- 110A depending on Load.

a Typical charger is not given but on newer modells between 25 and 30A

by weak charger systems you have only 10A or less

 

so if the moved load more in the heavier and a longterm use you can go in cont. discharge.

if you just move easier loads and have longer rides the charging system have enough time to recharge.

 

because we normally don’t using LiFePo, where the biggest advance is their fast recharging with all current they get,

a typically lead Acid or VRLA Battery needs their time and can only take a restricted ammount of Current to recharge.

 

so in result it is a mixture on use and ridetime and even recharging capability, if this system is sensefully dimensioned or not.

If i must move often a heavier Load and moving on short Way’s i would go with hydraulics.

 

[DennisThornton 4,769]

IF lift distance is not an issue, and it shouldn't be for just lifting implements then I'd think the linear actuator could be a choice drawing less amps.  But I also think for lifting lightweight implements the winch wouldn't be a problem either.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,033]

Depending on the model and how it is wired if any additional electrical load is added to the system I would remove the charge circuit from the tractor wiring (ie. 9-pin connector and ignition switch plus any other component) and let a relay and shorter wires take care of the charging system to the battery. Wire gauge, wire length and the type of wire connector have a huge influence on the output. Some of the common relays we now use are available in a 40 amp version which is likely a stretch but far superior to the original wiring components.

 

Garry

[Handy Don 12,163]

1 hour ago, DennisThornton said:

IF lift distance is not an issue, and it shouldn't be for just lifting implements then I'd think the linear actuator could be a choice drawing less amps.  But I also think for lifting lightweight implements the winch wouldn't be a problem either.

Agreed. A winch doesn't seem like the best fit for hoisting implements--hydraulics or a linear actuator seem more appropriate--but it may be fine for short bursts of pulling, and the cable may offer flexibility a fixed linkage cannot. It is when longer and/or heavier pulls become a use case that the factors of battery capacity/design, recharging capacity, wiring, and so forth become significant criteria. Clearly no one-size-fits-all solution here