520H won't move after oil change

[pfrederi 17,741]

Not running moving motion control or lift lever shouldn't make any noise.

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

She' moving forward and backwards !

 

Thanks !

Horse Newbie. (Tim)

[pfrederi 17,741]

run it around a few minutes raise and lower the deck a few times then shut it down let it sit a few minutes and check you level.

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

Should be 10w30 not 40 thicker oil may cause issues.

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

7 hours ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

Should be 10w30 not 40 thicker oil may cause issues.

I could have sworn the Eaton manual said 10w-40...I'll have to check it.

Are you saying even if the manual says 10w-40 still use 10w-30 ?

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

She' moving forward and backwards !

 

Thanks !

Horse Newbie. (Tim)

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

@WVHillbilly520H  Take a look at this pic please.

I know you said do not use oil on the eccentric nut on top of trans.,I seen some dry lube at the hardware store but I could not find one that said "graphite". It said "will not attract dirt".

Do you reckon that would be okay to use ?

My motion lever wants to creep back towards neutral so which nut/ bolt do I tighten, A or B ?

Edited November 26, 2020 by Horse Newbie

[lynnmor 7,315]

A has the friction washers above and below the cam plate and they are to be kept dry.  It might be a good idea to disassemble there and file the washers flat.then clean thoroughly.  Adjust the nut down till you have drag on the cam plate like it shows in your owners manual.

[rmaynard 15,519]

My 1996 416-H with an Eaton 1100 and hydraulic lift used every bit of 5 quarts of 10W40 oil. The Toro chart for recommended fluids says 10W30 or 10W40.

 

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/209-chart-belts-blades-lubrication-82-pages-492-0392pdf/

 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

3 hours ago, rmaynard said:

My 1996 416-H with an Eaton 1100 and hydraulic lift used every bit of 5 quarts of 10W40 oil. The Toro chart for recommended fluids says 10W30 or 10W40.

 

https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/209-chart-belts-blades-lubrication-82-pages-492-0392pdf/

 

@Maynard  so which weight oil do you use ?

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

6 hours ago, lynnmor said:

A has the friction washers above and below the cam plate and they are to be kept dry.  It might be a good idea to disassemble there and file the washers flat.then clean thoroughly.  Adjust the nut down till you have drag on the cam plate like it shows in your owners manual.

@lynnmor  I will get my manual out and go over that section.

When you say kept dry, do you mean kept dry as in no lube of any kind, or just dry lube ?

 

Thanks,   Tim

[lynnmor 7,315]

3 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

@lynnmor  I will get my manual out and go over that section.

When you say kept dry, do you mean kept dry as in no lube of any kind, or just dry lube ?

 

 

You won't find advice about making the washers flat again in the manual.. Kept dry means using absolutely nothing, just clean and assemble.

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

20 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

 

You won't find advice about making the washers flat again in the manual.. Kept dry means using absolutely nothing, just clean and assemble.

That's why I said if you choose to use a lube use only "dry graphite powder" which won't attract foreign objects dust ect... https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-Graphite-Powdered-Lubricant/1244381... 

 

15 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

I could have sworn the Eaton manual said 10w-40...I'll have to check it.

Are you saying even if the manual says 10w-40 still use 10w-30 ?

My TORO/WH manual states 10w30 and have used 10w30 religiously since bought new for few reasons 1) says so in the manual 2) same oil in the engine and NO need to keep multiple grades of oil on hand so there's no mix ups and 3) 10w30 will be easier on the pump on those cold winter days with a snowplow/blower... Again my experiences and notice I have said before that I haven't had many issues with my 520 over the course of 22 years using 10w30 engine and hydro... I'm not saying its the only way but it certainly seems in my experiences it has been a 4-seasons oil and changed by T/WH manual recommended intervals ... Not knocking anybody else's opinions again my experiences.

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

4 hours ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

That's why I said if you choose to use a lube use only "dry graphite powder" which won't attract foreign objects dust ect... https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-Graphite-Powdered-Lubricant/1244381... 

 

My TORO/WH manual states 10w30 and have used 10w30 religiously since bought new for few reasons 1) says so in the manual 2) same oil in the engine and NO need to keep multiple grades of oil on hand so there's no mix ups and 3) 10w30 will be easier on the pump on those cold winter days with a snowplow/blower... Again my experiences and notice I have said before that I haven't had many issues with my 520 over the course of 22 years using 10w30 engine and hydro... I'm not saying its the only way but it certainly seems in my experiences it has been a 4-seasons oil and changed by T/WH manual recommended intervals ... Not knocking anybody else's opinions again my experiences.

@WVHillbilly520H   I stand corrected...my Eaton manual says 10w-30 or 10w-40.

And I come here to get you guys experiences, knowledge, and advice.

I certainly don't think I could do it without you.

At least not with the confidence that you all's knowledge gives me in working on my own tractor.

I don't believe that I could find a good, honest shop.I know I will do a good, if not better job than them and I get to keep some of my money.

And when I ask for help here I know that I am going to get different opinions and experiences...I feel like with that I can make a better informed decision about how to proceed.

Since I have already changed the oil and filter in my hydro I will leave the 10w-40 in for now.

I hardly operate in temps below 40 degrees and certainly won't be using a snow blower as I live close to Charlotte NC. We may get 2 inches a year.

Thanks for your help !

Tim-Horse Newbie

Edited November 26, 2020 by Horse Newbie

[rmaynard 15,519]

7 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

@Maynard  so which weight oil do you use ?

10w40

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

23 minutes ago, rmaynard said:

10w40

So. @Maynard  how do you feel about me using 10w-40 in my hydro ?

Considering the tractor will be mostly used in temps between 55 and 95 degrees F...

Thanks, Tim

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

Good night 520-H...sweet dreams

[rmaynard 15,519]

15 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

So. @Maynard  how do you feel about me using 10w-40 in my hydro ?

Considering the tractor will be mostly used in temps between 55 and 95 degrees F...

Thanks, Tim

Full disclosure, I used full synthetic (Walmart brand) 10W40. I drained all oil from transmission, transaxle, hoses, and lift cylinder. Filter was replaced with genuine Toro/Wheel Horse 79-5270. Since I've had the tractor, my temps have ranged from about near 0 to around 100 F. No problems. In the coldest weather the tractor goes strong without warm-up.  

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by rmaynard
added info

[JohnD 145]

I just did my first Eaton 1100 oil change earlier this month.  I got about 3-3.5 quarts in fairly quickly with the filter loose, and then had to tighten the filter before I got another quart in.  I started it up, drove forward and backward slowly, and operated the lift a few times.  After that I topped it off (4.5 total on this refill). 

 

A clicking noise while the motor running is not normal.  The 1100 only clicks when getting pushed.  I saw a hint the other day that it helps to wiggle the motion lever while pushing to help the pressure normalize in the transmission. 

 

Note that there's a note from the manufacturer about the markings being incorrect on the Eaton dispstick.  You can find the note in this thread -

 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Note that there's a note from the manufacturer about the markings being incorrect on the Eaton dispstick

@JohnD  this service bulletin would not apply to a 1994 520-H with Eaton Model 11 would it ?

[JohnD 145]

Good question.  The note is dated in summaries from 1961-1990.  I assume they would have fixed it by 1994?  Those with experience with more model years maybe able to chime in here.  The trick is the 5.5 quarts is for a fresh rebuild, so a refill is less, but how much less?   

 

I just noticed I missed a lot of responses in this thread.  I'm glad to see you have it moving again.  My response above was from when you still didn't have it moving yet.  Weird. 

 

[Horse Newbie 7,075]

21 minutes ago, JohnD said:

Good question.  The note is dated in summaries from 1961-1990.  I assume they would have fixed it by 1994?  Those with experience with more model years maybe able to chime in here.  The trick is the 5.5 quarts is for a fresh rebuild, so a refill is less, but how much less?   

 

I just noticed I missed a lot of responses in this thread.  I'm glad to see you have it moving again.  My response above was from when you still didn't have it moving yet.  Weird. 

 

@JohnD  Yeah she's moving. I really have not driven her much. When I got her 3 years ago I just cleaned all the chaffe off the engine cooling fins and tins, between the frame rails and rolled her in the tractor building. Got her out about a month or so ago and started going through her fixing previous owners lack of maintenance and repairs.

Since getting her buttoned back up I have only rode her next door to the neighbors. No attachments put on yet. I'll drive her around a little and keep a close eye on the hydro oil level.

If no other 520 owners chime in here I will just assume my full mark on the dip stick is correct. I did notice when I move the motion control lever to neutral it seems to slow suddenly almost like the brake was applied. Do you know if this quick stop is typical of the Eaton model 11 ?

I know other brand tractors I have with hydro (not Eatons) doesn't seem to react this way.

[JohnD 145]

I get that quick stop when coming out of reverse, but not forward.  I've seen notes about adjusting the motion control lever but haven't tried that yet. 

 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,373]

16 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

@JohnD  Yeah she's moving. I really have not driven her much. When I got her 3 years ago I just cleaned all the chaffe off the engine cooling fins and tins, between the frame rails and rolled her in the tractor building. Got her out about a month or so ago and started going through her fixing previous owners lack of maintenance and repairs.

Since getting her buttoned back up I have only rode her next door to the neighbors. No attachments put on yet. I'll drive her around a little and keep a close eye on the hydro oil level.

If no other 520 owners chime in here I will just assume my full mark on the dip stick is correct. I did notice when I move the motion control lever to neutral it seems to slow suddenly almost like the brake was applied. Do you know if this quick stop is typical of the Eaton model 11 ?

I know other brand tractors I have with hydro (not Eatons) doesn't seem to react this way.

Yes the quick stop is normal (really hard to get used to after a gear drive before) but 22years I have gotten so used it that I hardly ever use the broke pedal.   Also the full mark on my dip sticks of my 520s is what I go by and as long as it is in the cross hatch its good to go, just like an auto trans add only 1 PINT when at the bottom of the marks.

[lynnmor 7,315]

I think that each Eaton 1100 has its own personality, some have a rather crisp response when the motion lever is moved and others are a bit soft or lazy.  Some will pee during storage and some will be dry.  I believe that some drain back a bit while others maintain the level when stored.  I do think it is best to keep the oil level a bit below the maximum line.