WHX?? 49,157 #1 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) This time it's a transmission! This one is what I believe to be a 5007 that was attached to a 701 that Dan had. He knew I didn't have enough projects so he sandbagged me with this! Least @Achto trying to keep me out of the tavern! The big mystery was this plate on the backside of the brake shaft/mushroom gear. Savable or not?!??!? Why not I saved this one? She's a bit noisy but moves the tractor! Hold your horses Madge I'm gettin there! The deal breaker behind patch No. 1 Mushroom capped bearing was gone and this was in it's place. The worse part is the bearing bore is egg shaped and chewed up. To solve this the mystery mechanic tried to shim or fill in the slop in the bore to hold the bushing into place with some kind of material. Interesting I found many other places in the steering gear on this tractor where said PO used brass sheets stuffed in wallowed out holes so he must of fairly adept at this type of repair. Gotta give the PO credit for trying I guess even though it was a ill thought out repair! Sadly the bore is beyond repair now and the short side case is now a boat anchor. Some kind of bushing on the mushroom gear adds insult to injury! Edited September 8, 2020 by WHX24 3 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,134 #2 Posted September 8, 2020 Mystery "was" ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #3 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) The good news is I have another three speed that I might be able to use parts from. Not much better shape than this one but won't be for lack of trying. Now the crappy work begins..... cleaning up this mess and see what other parts are usable. The donor tranny. A tad better but I must be a glutton for punishment! Not sure what model this is but guessing from a early to mid sixties. Will have to check some casting marks and see what @stevasaurus says. Just remembered this came off a 1055 so should be a 5049?? What say ye Dino? Edited September 8, 2020 by WHX24 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,330 #4 Posted September 8, 2020 Couple minutes with a wire brush and you'll be fine......... WOW 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 37,134 #5 Posted September 8, 2020 You know all that stuff is gonna buff right out. Geeze, such the drama queen! 🙀 2 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #6 Posted September 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: ...... WOW Right EB!?!?! We see these guys here crack open trannies and a quick run through the parts cleaner, a couple of seals maybe some bearings and good to go right? No such luck here! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,853 #7 Posted September 8, 2020 Throw it in an e-tank an it will look better in a few days 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,330 #8 Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, WHX24 said: Right EB!?!?! We see these guys here crack open trannies and a quick run through the parts cleaner, a couple of seals maybe some bearings and good to go right? No such luck here! Yeah I haven't seen any really nasty ones yet. I've taken apart maybe six or eight transmissions I guess? Some of them had some rust on the top half where the airspace would be but all of them have been really really mucky but usable once cleaned up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #9 Posted September 8, 2020 This was a different one too. The shifter busted off at the ball. Getting the stub out was a chore here but luckily the dog point was already out/missing.. I may make Dan repair & resto this just for paybacks! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #10 Posted September 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, oliver2-44 said: Throw it in an e-tank an it will look better in a few days I have never done an E-tank before Jim but I think I might be here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHNJ701 4,165 #11 Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, WHX24 said: I have never done an E-tank before Jim but I think I might be here. Plastic tote and a couple gallons of cheap vinager 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #12 Posted September 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: seen any really nasty ones yet. Tom @Shynon did a resto once on a 1045 carcass it was I think it was and way more nasty than these. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 68,330 #13 Posted September 8, 2020 I'm thinking that second c-160 I've got with a techie engine is probably going to be pretty rugged. Going to be quite a while before I get into that one though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 63,096 #14 Posted September 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, WHX24 said: I have never done an E-tank before Jim but I think I might be here. 29 minutes ago, jabelman said: Plastic tote and a couple gallons of cheap vinager I’ve never used vinegar, the smell is unbearable. For my e-tank, I use Arm and Hammer WASHING Soda with the water out of my hose. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 27,751 #15 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, WHX24 said: I may make Dan repair & resto this just for paybacks! Repairing that shifter will be easy!! I'm sure you'll find some challenging stuff for me to repair on this one though. Edited September 8, 2020 by Achto 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,174 #16 Posted September 8, 2020 Might be surprised .... couple yrs after Katrina, I bought a nice? - at one time... South Bend lathe that had been completely submerged in that toxic soup in New Awlins. Had a pretty extensive gear box and that was where the damage was (looked a lot like your mess), rest of lathe was pretty good (why I gambled on it) On tear down and clean up - sand blasting - I had one gear that was unuseable. Course EVERY bearing was shot, but that was an easy fix. Between my buddy and I we had the gear cutting tools and made that one gear --- Ive now been using the lathe some 5-6 yrs and its a nice one, a bit noisier than when new but certainly not bad. 5 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Tuul Crib 7,337 #18 Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, pullstart said: I’ve never used vinegar, the smell is unbearable. For my e-tank, I use Arm and Hammer WASHING Soda with the water out of my hose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevasaurus 22,863 #19 Posted September 8, 2020 Some scraping, a 4" grinder with a wire wheel, then electrolysis (WITH THE WASHING SODA), the sand blast with plastic pellets and it will be like brand new. The 1st trans is probably a #5007. With the other one being a #5049...do me a favor and put up some good pictures of the shift rails. They look different to me in the picture you have here. I believe this is going to be where the difference is between this and the 5053. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greentored 3,217 #20 Posted September 8, 2020 OY, thats an evil lookin one! Could that case half be bored and a larger OD bushing pressed in, or arent these cases too hard to come by? You guys ever try citric acid for de-rusting? Cheap, goes a long way, works incredible, and if you dip your fingertip in and try it, it tastes like a sour patch kid lol. (try this BEFORE dipping parts, not after) 1 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SylvanLakeWH 25,927 #21 Posted September 8, 2020 Meh...Just a flesh wound... e-tank...some fresh cheese curds... an adult beverage or two...repeat...you'll be just fine... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #22 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Greentored said: OY, thats an evil lookin one! Could that case half be bored and a larger OD bushing pressed in, or arent these cases too hard to come by? You guys ever try citric acid for de-rusting? Cheap, goes a long way, works incredible, and if you dip your fingertip in and try it, it tastes like a sour patch kid lol. (try this BEFORE dipping parts, not after) Naww boring the case would get to be too pricey as I don't have a machine shop in my back pocket. What a regular shop would charge just for setup would be crazy $$. Then getting it back in the right spot. They are not too hard to come by you know where to look. More info on the citric acid tho Green where do you get the stuff I'd try anything once... twice I like it! Last one I pretty much did what Dino said on a wire wheel on the grinder. Messy but worked. I may try sand blasting this time too.... can't make them any worse. The problem with trying to save them in any fashion is two much metal gone off the gears. You lose the tolerances so you are gonna have a noisy beast but that's ok as you're not using them for workers other than light tub duty, putting around the 'hood. No high stakes pulling or flying them at 33,000 feet! 10 hours ago, pullstart said: vinegar, the smell is unbearable. 8 hours ago, The Tuul Crib said: Sallies! Thanks for the confidence booster @pacer ! Pretty sure the only difference is the donor tranny has flats on the rails Dino... will know more after cleanup. Prolly not gonna be for awhile tho got a tractor show to get ready for ! Edited September 9, 2020 by WHX24 Speeling & gramma 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greentored 3,217 #23 Posted September 9, 2020 15 hours ago, WHX24 said: More info on the citric acid tho Green where do you get the stuff I'd try anything once... twice I like it! This one was introduced to me by the Coleman lantern crowd for cleaning up 50-100 year old lanterns. Its available on the jungle site and pretty cheap considering how far it goes. Powdered form, 1 cup per gallon is plenty. Zero smell, absolutely safe around food/drinks/skin/environment, and if you can heat it up, it works incredible and pretty quick! Yes, if you have an invisible cut on your hands, you'll find it, just like vinegar. If you leave a small metal part in there and forget about it, it WILL be gone if enough time passes. Were pretty safe with tractor parts when it comes to nickel, chrome, brass which old lanterns contain a bunch of- if left too long, it WILL strip nickel and chrome, and it will turn brass pink due to leeching the copper out, which polishes out but am told this starts a reaction that will eventually ruin the brass part over the next couple decades. Vinegar will do the same on all accounts. I LIKE the smell of vinegar, but once metal parts have been soaked in it, the smell is completely different (bad/metallic/chemical), it gets into your hands, dries them out, turns them black, and wont wash out. You wont be grabbin the ol lady for a couple days thats for sure Im intrigued by the washing soda! Never heard of this one. Itll strip rust? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 49,157 #24 Posted September 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, Greentored said: Im intrigued by the washing soda! As used in an E tank. Like I said I have never done it but many guys here have. Much conversation here about doing it and a ton of info on and You Tube. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sqrlgtr 552 #25 Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 8:28 AM, WHX24 said: This time it's a transmission! This one is what I believe to be a 5007 that was attached to a 701 that Dan had. He knew I didn't have enough projects so he sandbagged me with this! Least @Achto trying to keep me out of the tavern! The big mystery was this plate on the backside of the brake shaft/mushroom gear. Savable or not?!??!? Why not I saved this one? She's a bit noisy but moves the tractor! Hold your horses Madge I'm gettin there! The deal breaker behind patch No. 1 Mushroom capped bearing was gone and this was in it's place. The worse part is the bearing bore is egg shaped and chewed up. To solve this the mystery mechanic tried to shim or fill in the slop in the bore to hold the bushing into place with some kind of material. Interesting I found many other places in the steering gear on this tractor where said PO used brass sheets stuffed in wallowed out holes so he must of fairly adept at this type of repair. Gotta give the PO credit for trying I guess even though it was a ill thought out repair! Sadly the bore is beyond repair now and the short side case is now a boat anchor. Some kind of bushing on the mushroom gear adds insult to injury! how did you get all the oil cleaned up after separation of transmission lol... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
