Dan.gerous 2,696 #101 Posted May 21, 2022 Dimensions are near identical compared to the Yanmar l100. Yanmar Height 494mm Width 471mm Depth 412mm Petter Height 509mm Width 456mm Depth 412mm The petter is only 7.5hp, but the main thing is it would fit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,237 #102 Posted May 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Dan.gerous said: Looks like it has an electric clutch To me, that looks more like a centrifugal clutch. A while back someone in California started a thread here on a new-to-them WH that had a combo centrifugal and chain drive. First time I'd seen anything like that on a WH. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #103 Posted May 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Handy Don said: To me, that looks more like a centrifugal clutch. A while back someone in California started a thread here on a new-to-them WH that had a combo centrifugal and chain drive. First time I'd seen anything like that on a WH. I think your right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #104 Posted May 21, 2022 Have a video of it running, will try and post it later. Sounds about as loud as the yanmar, seems like not much to choose between them apart from availability and distance to collect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #105 Posted May 21, 2022 Surfing the Internet and it seems like these Lister Petter engines might be a bit harsh for the gearbox. The power pulses wipe them out, whereas the yanmars might be a bit smoother to the drive system. Might not be worth the risk! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samurayycam 2 #106 Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) On 8/4/2020 at 10:29 PM, Dan.gerous said: I have been thinking about converting one of the C125's to a diesel to take advantage of the fuel on the farm and just a general update for one of the machines. There are a couple of posts on here about similar conversions, but was interested to know if there is a near plug and play replacement for the Kohler 301. What sort of output shaft would be required - I presume the length would be fairly crucial as would be diameter to be able to take the existing pulleys/PTO. Not interested in stupid power, figured a 10hp Diesel would be sufficient to replace the existing unit, and keep it air cooled for simplicity and package size. Found these at a great price, I appreciate they are cheap Chinese rip offs, but might be worth a punt: https://www.westbankwholesale.co.uk/LA186F1E-10Hp-ELECTRIC-START-DIESEL-ENGINE-REPLACES-YANMAR-L1001 If you find it on Fleabay you can get the engine external dimensions which are very similar to the Kohler. Roughly the Kohler is 45cm high x 28cm wide x 45cm deep. The Chinese unit is 49cm high x 33cm wide x 47cm deep - it would easly fit in the engine bay without the shaker plate. Would it be difficult to wire it in? Seems to me that so long as I can get the drive shaft lined up and the pulleys to fit that it shouldnt be a huge project....or am I being overly optimistic? Thoughts appreciated, just thinking about it at the moment but it might just be worth doing - be nice to not have to mess around with spark plugs, coils and condensers - especially as at the moment having issues with these on my latest aquisition! I'm thinking the same thing after the gas hikes. I will be following the thread. Thank you. Edited May 21, 2022 by samurayycam I forgot to say thank you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #107 Posted May 22, 2022 15 hours ago, samurayycam said: I'm thinking the same thing after the gas hikes. I will be following the thread. Thank you. I think for the bigger twins there might be a noticeable fuel saving by converting to a single diesel. Diesel is actually more expensive here than petrol, unless you use the red diesel for farm use. My main reason for conversion is to get away from points, condensers, sparkplug etc, it gets tiresome chasing faults. Hopefully I won't replace those with endless injector and fuel pump issues! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #108 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) YES!!!!!! Finally got an engine.....err well two of them actually Not sure if they are the 7hp or 10hp models though. It was a gamble at an auction. Two unused Yanmars for £140 each was worth the risk. The world's second longest project after @ebinmaine Super, super, super happy!!! Edited May 24, 2022 by Dan.gerous 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #109 Posted May 24, 2022 sure resembles the clone I used. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #110 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, JoeM said: sure resembles the clone I used. Be interesting to see, must be a capacity stamped on them somewhere. These were the ones listed as Yamahas, which are in fact Yanmars unless I'm mistaken. Hopefully pick them up on Friday, it's about a 9 hour round trip. Edited May 24, 2022 by Dan.gerous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #111 Posted May 24, 2022 Wonder why the military remove the ID plate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #112 Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Dan.gerous said: Wonder why the military remove the ID plate? maybe? The clone was 10hp 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #113 Posted May 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, JoeM said: maybe? The clone was 10hp Looks like we are heading down on Friday to get them, can see what ID remains. Fingers crossed that they are the 10hp units! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #114 Posted May 24, 2022 @JoeM you managed to get yours in without having to cut the hood didn't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #115 Posted May 24, 2022 Yeah went in but it was a black hood they are pretty wide, I did raise it up a touch to clear the compression release 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #116 Posted May 25, 2022 7 hours ago, JoeM said: Yeah went in but it was a black hood they are pretty wide, I did raise it up a touch to clear the compression release Thats good, all my candidates are black hoods - in fact 4 of my 5 machines are! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #117 Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to keep everything but the muffler. Here are a few pics to gander at. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 12,237 #118 Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeM said: Another layer of paint and that bad boy wouldn'ta fit! 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #119 Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeM said: I wanted to keep everything but the muffler. Here are a few pics to gander at. Thanks, very helpful to see how you did it 😁 The clearance under the hood is definitely squeaky tight! I did wonder at moving the airbox to the back with a tube around to its intake if space was needed. Could have a bigger airbox, which could make it quieter as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #120 Posted May 28, 2022 Well.... Back home after yesterdays trip, but sadly it was a gamble that didn't pay off. The engines are the smaller ones - need to do a bit more research but I think they are about 4-5hp. Devastated, but its not the end of the world. Will have to get them back up for sale and see what I can make, they are the sort of thing that might power a small cement mixer or generator rather than a garden tractor. Going to mope about the place for the rest of the day, had been expecting to be doing fun stuff like measuring up for mounting holes etc Back to the drawing board! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,657 #121 Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dan.gerous said: Going to run about the place for the rest of the day doing fun stuff like measuring up for mounting holes ... For... a small cement mixer or generator. There. Fixed it for you Dan. 🤪 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan.gerous 2,696 #122 Posted May 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: a small cement mixer or generator. There. Fixed it for you Dan. 🤪 Ha ha, yeah need to find one with a broken engine, install these then sell.... So annoyed!! But it was a fun day. Picked up a Scottish guy hitching to London, turns out his cousin drives the schoolbus in my hometown in New Zealand - there are less than 600 people living there! Dropped the muckrake off to a farmer in Yorkshire, lovely place, nice guy and I so want his little mitsubishi compact with backhoe and FEL! The engines were stored in an old WW2 hangar on a closed down airbase, so that was interesting even if the units themselves weren't! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,657 #123 Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dan.gerous said: fun day The part to focus on for sure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 7,874 #124 Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dan.gerous said: but its not the end of the world Two on one machine maybe? Custom one to run the trans the other for the deck etc.? Twin engine black hood.....now I'm a think n! Edited May 28, 2022 by JoeM 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,637 #125 Posted May 28, 2022 @Dan.gerous noting that electric clutch , would detail, lightly lubricate , WITH HI TEMP LUBE, ALL RELATED , SPRING TO CAM RELATED , MOVEMENT POINTS . just enough to ENHANCE MOVEMENT , use a super lube type , or a hi temp 560 deg grease smear . improve it as you set it up , every electrical connection , fuel flow and filter , sounds like a neat set up , good luck with it , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
