ArturHawk 184 #1 Posted July 25, 2020 Today I had one heck of a near miss. Now that i have my cultivator attached, I thought I would disturb some dirt. After realizing 5 tines was too many, I downsized to a single tine and added some old car rotors (white boxes for weight). When I'm done making a mas of the yard, I'm ready to switch to my other horse and plow the upset dirt (i'm regrading the yard). I decide to throw the horse into high gear and it nearly bucks me off! Front tires lifted 1-2ft off the ground, and i happened to be facing the garage. Fortunately I "steered" off the wall (see the black mark on the wall) and shut the engine off before anything but a couple flower pots (and a crappy garden cart) got crushed. So, my question is this: What can I do to not wheelie in any gear Low 3 or higher? My other horse jerks forward, but the worst is going to high 3 and even that is just a "chirp" before taking off with the wheels never leaving the ground. Thanks! I was going to post this in the "what did you do to your tractor today" thread, but this felt more like a "what did your tractor do to you today" topic. 1 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,766 #2 Posted July 25, 2020 I'd like to congratulate you on getting to the third line of 8" blocks. I'd say that's a measured 24" wheel-to-wall contact height. You should leave the line on the garage as future proof of capabilities. And of course I'm glad nothing was seriously hurt or damagified. As for the "jumping" ... We have 4 horses that run and drive here. The only one that does that has an aluminum engine and no weights. BUT we aren't trying to remove ground either. I'd start with checking both engine and transmission pulleys for a smooth non rusty inner surface. Confirm that you have the correct length and type of belt. Make up a front or mid mount weight set. Others may be able to offer more ideas... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,034 #3 Posted July 25, 2020 You need to add front weights to balance the rear weight you added. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandyLittrell 3,885 #4 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Welp, physics 101 and you survived!!! If your gonna put that much weight on the back, you gotta put a bunch out front!! Welcome if I haven't told you already!! Randy Edited July 25, 2020 by RandyLittrell 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArturHawk 184 #5 Posted July 25, 2020 @RandyLittrell Thanks for the welcome! I guess I should have mentioned that the horse will wheelie even with nothing on the back. When this happened, I was specifically trying to ease the clutch to engage to prevent the front from lifting...to no avail. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 9,787 #6 Posted July 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: I'd start with checking both engine and transmission pulleys for a smooth non rusty inner surface. Confirm that you have the correct length and type of belt. @ebinmaine you missed commenting on his great hood ornament 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandyLittrell 3,885 #7 Posted July 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, ArturHawk said: @RandyLittrell Thanks for the welcome! I guess I should have mentioned that the horse will wheelie even with nothing on the back. When this happened, I was specifically trying to ease the clutch to engage to prevent the front from lifting...to no avail. Now you have given us some info. I would recomend replacing your belt and clean your pulley's. Any surface rust will cause some grabbing. Be sure to get a quality implement belt from a NAPA or such. Someone will be along to help with a part number. We have manual's for download down the page a bit. Randy 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 67,766 #8 Posted July 25, 2020 7 hours ago, oliver2-44 said: @ebinmaine you missed commenting on his great hood ornament Oh don't you worry mister. I scoped it out right away. I had already mentioned it in another thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wallfish 17,023 #9 Posted July 25, 2020 The "clutching" happens at the engine pulley by belt slip in the groove. As mentioned, the pulley groove needs to be clean and smooth. If there is a rubber sided belt on there it will grab quickly so the drive belt needs to be a cloth covered belt. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 55,393 #10 Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) SO, the swan on the hood started flapping its wings and took flight, is that what happened? Looks like the automatic transmission there saved you from going even further. A new fabric wrapped drive belt should be a big help. Edited July 25, 2020 by 953 nut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 41,171 #11 Posted July 25, 2020 Set all that stuff on the ground on your hood and strap it down! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 8,654 #12 Posted July 25, 2020 i regularly use my , HI/LO RANGE LEVER FOR CONTROL AND ADVANTAGE , that's what its there for , to make pulling or pushing solid and stable , with MECHANICAL ADVANTAGE. ANOTHER THING IS LUBRICATING YOUR CLUTCH LINKAGE SET UP . every contact and movement point should have either grease or aerosol red grease on it to make it a very easily usable system . i can easily start off in 3 gear with no violent take up or damage. i agree with above on those pulley wheels , they should be very smooth and easy in there movement . sounds like a simple fix to me , LURRICATION IS KEY TO SOLVE THIS , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alrashid2 171 #13 Posted November 22 @ArturHawk did you ever figure this out? EXACT same scenario happened to me today in my 312-8! Except, instead of a wall, I slammed into a log and boulder... Mine also jumps regardless of throttle speed and weight in the back. Any additional weight in the back only makes it worst. Bucking broncos! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArturHawk 184 #14 Posted November 22 I replied to your other post with more information, but long story short, a new belt (TSC) and some cleaning of my pulley went a long way. Thanks to everyone who commented and helped me have 4 years of safe horsin' around! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 12,175 #15 Posted November 22 On 7/24/2020 at 9:56 PM, ebinmaine said: I'd start with checking both engine and transmission pulleys for a smooth non rusty inner surface. Confirm that you have the correct length and type of belt. So long as your pulleys (contact area) are smooth and not rusty, a clean fabric covered belt should slip as it tensions, preventing wheelies. Also, unlike an automotive clutch, it’s ok to hold the pedal in a little until you are moving. I hold my clutch just a little until I’m rolling, and then fully release. Also, grease up the pivot on your clutch pedal. It may also be sticky. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alrashid2 171 #16 Posted November 25 Thanks guys! Bought myself a new belt today and will install sometime after the holiday. Cheers! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
