wheel bolt pattern 414-8

[David414 289]

I need help in this area as I have no experience with this problem. My tractor is the 414-8, 1989 with stock 12" x 7" wide rims.

 

I brought a used set of 12" rims x 8.5" wide to replace my stock 7" wide rim. I now have an interference fit with the wider rims as the offset moves the tire to close to the seat frame.

I appreciate Ebinmaine suggesting that I use wheel spacers. However, the measurements seem to be different.   My measurement of the hub diameter  is 80MM. The center of the wheel  bolt to center of wheel bolt on the 414 measures 4.26" , with 5 bolts. Its not really 4.5" on center.

 

Most wheel spacers have a 4.5" bolt pattern. Is this the same as the wheel horse pattern I have?  I found a spacer with a 83mm hub, will the extra 3 mm hub diameter cause problems?   Ebinmaine warned that the bolts may be different?  My wheel bolts appear to be a 7/16 -14 thread. Most spacers have 1/2 x 20. How does the larger 1/2 x 20 bolt fit the rim? I don't quite understand the differences...any help is greatly appreciated!

 

If you had the choice between wheel spacers or having the rim's center section removed and then re-welded to the correct off set pattern, which would you choose? The cost is about the same for the spacer or welding work. A friend is doing the welding and he thinks he can do it correctly. Any one have experience in cutting and re-welding the center section on rims? Possibility of ruining the rims with the cutting and rewelding?

Thanks for the help!

[pfrederi 17,959]

WH used 1-3/8" Backset.  Most other guys uses 2 -3/8". Might try to find the rims with the shallower backset. May be cheaper than buying spacers or buying wellding work....

Edited May 29, 2020 by pfrederi

[ebinmaine 68,729]

Given the option between welding or spacers I would do the welding. My spacers have been perfectly fine and I've had them for me 3 years on three different horses but it seems to me that welding would be a more permanent solution and maybe stronger?

 

if you do go with the spacers they're going to come with a set of 10 lug nuts. Most of those are 1/2 by 20.

I don't know about every other garden tractor line but I know Wheel Horse like you mentioned above used a 7/16 stud. You may have to expand the wheel lug hole just a touch to make room.

 

4, 6, or 8 lug measurements are easy to do because it's from one lug to another. 5 lug bolt circle is actually measured from 1 lug to the midpoint of the 2 opposite.

 

 

[David414 289]

Tried very hard to find rims from a 520 or GT that are 8.5" wide. No luck. The reason why I brought these rims, was they had the largest offset I could find. Apparently, not enough offset! Will see how the welding goes...

[Sparky-(Admin) 21,485]

I vote get the centers welded in the correct location  . 

[squonk 41,589]

I have a set of wheel spacers that were on a 520. There were ATV tires on it when I got it. I'd be willing to sell them if interested. PM Me.

 

 

[David414 289]

 After much consternation, and the problems with the cutting and re-welding the center disc, I have decided to return the rims to the seller. I will be out two freight costs, but a better solution is available. I called Miller tires and I can buy the wheel blank with a separate center disc. I can then have the rims welded with the correct 1 3/8" offset. Brand new rims, correct offset, and no sand blasting rust of used rims. In retrospect, should have went this route to start with. Cost more, but the results are far better. Thanks to all for your help!

[Tuneup 1,433]

OK David, be sure to take this new opportunity to buy a cheapie welder and weld them yourself after a bit of fun practice. This'll be the route I take as soon as the honeydos are taken care of - if that ever happens.