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[whtractors24 3,116]

Figured I’d share . 315 with my nos 3k generator . 

[Retired Wrencher 5,442]

Nice add on Jason.  Ohh the tractor nice also.

[SylvanLakeWH 25,494]

Nice! 

 

I hope you got an appropriate price discount for the missing metal box strap on the left side... 

[edgro 677]

Awesome

 

[Herder 2,354]

That is cool!  Perfectly matched too.  

[kwalshy 229]

Looks really nice on the front of that GT.

 

Out of curiosity, what rpm do you need the engine running at for that generator to work right?

[Achto 27,509]

41 minutes ago, kwalshy said:

 

Out of curiosity, what rpm do you need the engine running at for that generator to work right?

 

Should be 3600RPMs

[cschannuth 3,816]

2 hours ago, kwalshy said:

Looks really nice on the front of that GT.

 

Out of curiosity, what rpm do you need the engine running at for that generator to work right?

 

Mine will handle full load at anything over 2/3 throttle.

 

[whtractors24 3,116]

8 hours ago, Achto said:

 

Should be 3600RPMs

My 315 from factory is set at 3200rpm and plenty to get the generator to 120v and in green . 

[kasey54 305]

3600 rpm for 60 cycle ac.

[Achto 27,509]

8 hours ago, kasey54 said:

3600 rpm for 60 cycle ac

 

8 hours ago, whtractors24 said:

My 315 from factory is set at 3200rpm and plenty to get the generator to 120v and in green . 

 

The generator that you have is a 2 pole gen, in order to achieve a 60Hz frequency it has to spin at 3600RPM's.  3200RPMs will put you at a frequency of 53.3Hz. 120vac at 53.3Hz will be fine for running light bulbs or any thing with a resistive only load. I would not recommend running an electric motor and definitely do not run anything with electronics, damage to your electrical item will occur.

 

You could do the math on pulley sizes to get the gen to spin at 3600RPMs while the engine is at 3200RPMs. A 3000 watt gen only requires 5Hp at full load so you will not be lacking engine power.

[Tractorhead 9,064]

40 minutes ago, Achto said:

 

 

The generator that you have is a 2 pole gen, in order to achieve a 60Hz frequency it has to spin at 3600RPM's.  3200RPMs will put you at a frequency of 53.3Hz. 120vac at 53.3Hz will be fine for running light bulbs or any thing with a resistive only load. I would not recommend running an electric motor and definitely do not run anything with electronics, damage to your electrical item will occur.

 

You could do the math on pulley sizes to get the gen to spin at 3600RPMs while the engine is at 3200RPMs. A 3000 watt gen only requires 5Hp at full load so you will not be lacking engine power.

 

Depends on things what been hooked up.

Because of Motor driven things they need the frequency for fix their rotation speed and 

even to start the Motor by A capacitor combination for a fix frequency.

 

The newer generation welders or even electronics mostly have Wide range Power supply‘s they can handle a wobbling frequency.

They be able to work from 100V up to 250V and allows a Frequency drift between typically between 50/60Hz.

They syncronize from 48 up to 62Hz.

 

Older Powersupply‘s are fix calculated for 60 Hz with no frequency drift.+-1%

 

The easies Way i would go, is to have a Meter with a frequency setup, what also some cheaper meters have 

and shift the throttle once slowly up to a position if you reach the 60Hz.

Mark this point on throttle position and you find your setup later quick.

After that put the Thottle in Genny position and you are good to go.

[whtractors24 3,116]

14 minutes ago, Tractorhead said:

 

Depends on things what been hooked up.

Because of Motor driven things they need the frequency for fix their rotation speed and 

even to start the Motor by A capacitor combination for a fix frequency.

 

The newer generation welders or even electronics mostly have Wide range Power supply‘s they can handle a wobbling frequency.

They be able to work from 100V up to 250V and allows a Frequency drift between typically between 50/60Hz.

They syncronize from 48 up to 62Hz.

 

Older Powersupply‘s are fix calculated for 60 Hz with no frequency drift.+-1%

 

The easies Way i would go, is to have a Meter with a frequency setup, what also some cheaper meters have 

and shift the throttle once slowly up to a position if you reach the 60Hz.

Mark this point on throttle position and you find your setup later quick.

After that put the Thottle in Genny position and you are good to go.

I get what your saying but why would wheel horse buy generators from generac that need more rpm than my tractor came setup from factory . My 315 never touched since day one Governor spring is set for 3200 rpm. I can move it up two notches and get it to 3600 . 

[Tractorhead 9,064]

I don‘t know for what purposes the Generator primary be planed.

 

But whatever reason it was, it‘s a mobile Powersystem for different purposes.

Can be used for Welders, Drills, electric Field helpers, different electric Attachments, Radio or even TV Set 😂

and some other things like electric hedge trimmer or similar. What you using for this Genny is up to you.

 

On the other hand i think it can be Attached also on different machines and is not only produced for a Wheelhorse

if Gear ratio is changed by a Pulley there is also the ability to use it with less rpm.

The difference of the rpm‘s could be happen out of that reasons.

 

It depends on Power ammount and where you need it for what purposes you use it now.

 

 

[Achto 27,509]

23 hours ago, whtractors24 said:

get what your saying but why would wheel horse buy generators from generac that need more rpm than my tractor came setup from factory .

 

The majority of Wheel Horse's came from the factory with the engine speed set to 3600RPM's. Given the fact that the gen will fit multiple tractors, I'm sure that  bought them with the majority in mind. My guess would be that if a dealer were to install the gen they would have increased the engine speed on your particular tractor from 3200 to 3600RPM's or possibly put a smaller pulley on the gen to increase the gen speed.

 

The formula for frequency on a generator is ( RPM X number of poles on the gen rotor / 120 ), this formula does not change. On a 2 pole gen like yours it would be 3600 X 2 / 120 = 60Hz.

 

Some appliances will accept what I call "dirty power" meaning the voltage or frequency is off, some will not. I'm not saying that you can't run it the way it is, I'm just saying that you run a risk of damaging an electrical appliance.

Edited May 22, 2020 by Achto

[squonk 41,038]

Let's not also forget. These Genny's were built before the mass influx of electronics into our society. They were designed for outdoor work like running a drill,saw it even a small pump way out in the back 40

[SylvanLakeWH 25,494]

14 minutes ago, squonk said:

Let's not also forget. These Genny's were built before the mass influx of electronics into our society. They were designed for outdoor work like running a drill,saw it even a small pump way out in the back 40

 

Uh oh... so if I owned an Alexa and wanted to run her off such a generator to stay off the grid during the CV shut-down... (Figure you can't be too careful with all those Lansing drones monitoring us Michiganders... ) that would explain why it won't work to ask Alexa to "Start my C-105"? Or is it just that she wouldn't be able to hear me over the engine noise?

 

I'm so confused... 

 

 

 

 

[wallfish 16,985]

On 5/21/2020 at 7:35 AM, whtractors24 said:

I get what your saying but why would wheel horse buy generators from generac that need more rpm than my tractor came setup from factory

I get what you're thinking but was that generator made the same year as your tractor and or made specific for that 315 at 3200 rpm?

You definitely have the knack for finding the good stuff! Excellent find!

[whtractors24 3,116]

40 minutes ago, wallfish said:

I get what you're thinking but was that generator made the same year as your tractor and or made specific for that 315 at 3200 rpm?

You definitely have the knack for finding the good stuff! Excellent find!

Thanks John . Generator is anywhere from 1979-1983. Which the k series ran at 3600 rpm. 

[lynnmor 7,302]

On 5/20/2020 at 10:03 PM, whtractors24 said:

My 315 from factory is set at 3200rpm and plenty to get the generator to 120v and in green . 

 

Do you have a tachometer to check the actual RPMs?   The manual shows the adjustment but it may vary in actual use.  The fact that the meter on the generator reads in the green might mean that the actual engine may be higher or the generator meter may not be perfect.  One way to check generator speed is to plug in an electric clock with a second hand into the generator.  Compare the seconds to a battery clock to see if they match.

Edited May 22, 2020 by lynnmor

[whtractors24 3,116]

3 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

 

Do you have a tachometer to check the actual RPMs?   The manual shows the adjustment but it may vary in actual use.  The fact that the meter on the generator reads in the green might mean that the actual engine may be higher or the generator meter may not be perfect.  One way to check generator speed is to plug in an electric clock with a second hand into the generator.  Compare the seconds to a battery clock to see if they match.

I checked the frequency I’m getting eteeen 50-60hz at 3400 rpm . What do you mean with clock ?

[whtractors24 3,116]

2 hours ago, squonk said:

Let's not also forget. These Genny's were built before the mass influx of electronics into our society. They were designed for outdoor work like running a drill,saw it even a small pump way out in the back 40

Very true ! Not thinking they are going to run exactly 60hz from 1979 ish. It powers up puts 120volts our and works !

[lynnmor 7,302]

Just now, whtractors24 said:

I checked the frequency I’m getting eteeen 50-60hz at 3400 rpm . What do you mean with clock ?

An electric clock runs according to the frequency of the supplied current.  If the second hand rotates exactly one revolution in one minute, the speed is correct.  Comparing two clocks with one plugged into the generator and the other plugged into house current or battery power will be an accurate gauge.

[Zeek 2,286]

On 5/20/2020 at 6:58 AM, whtractors24 said:

Figured I’d share . 315 with my nos 3k generator . 

 

 

Very nice!