My first Wheel Horse - 417-A Questions

[Ed Kennell 38,022]

That looks like a combo of motor oil and water.

[ATolles 52]

Have no Idea! It sure doesn’t look like any type of oil I’ve ever seen! 

[johnnymag3 2,515]

Make sure you get a new filter also....that filter is NO GOOD. Sheesh !!! I agree with Ed, looks like wate rand oil...see how it is separating ? Also look for metal shavings. A magnet will see more than your eyes.   

 

John

[953 nut 55,070]

1 hour ago, johnnymag3 said:

NICE CLEAN RED FLUID ON YOUR DIPSTICK TUBE  !!!!!   SPINJIM

 

my 418 A uses motor oil....according to my manual, did you change yours over?   Very clean at any rate !! Nice

 

Love my 418 A's  too.... Both of them equally

My 418-C had ATF in it when I bought it, works fine so I have stayed with ATF. If I were to do a major overhaul I would go back 10 W 30.

[SPINJIM 1,981]

2 hours ago, ATolles said:

I’m gonna try to find one.  

 

I strongly urge you to buy the dipstick and tube on ebay.  It came off of a 417A, so it's going to work perfectly.   At only $15 and free shipping, it's not worth the trouble to jury rig something.  I've bought a few parts from Matt, and he always ships promptly.

   Jim

Edited May 10, 2020 by SPINJIM

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,032]

1 hour ago, ATolles said:

Have no Idea! It sure doesn’t look like any type of oil I’ve ever seen! 

It does not take much water to do that. Likely condensation that has developed over many cold/hot cycles.

If you let it sit in a clear container the water will separate and go to the bottom over a period of time and you will see how much there is.

The hydro pumps are great blenders.

 

Garry

[ATolles 52]

@SPINJIM I looked all over Ebay for the 417A dipstick. What is the listing title? Thanks everyone for all the help.

[Ed Kennell 38,022]

@SPINJIM       Can you send him a link in a PM Jim?

[SPINJIM 1,981]

21 minutes ago, ATolles said:

@SPINJIM I looked all over Ebay for the 417A dipstick. What is the listing title? Thanks everyone for all the help.

 

It's "Wheel Horse 417-A transmission oil dipstick".   Make sure you put the dash in the 417-A, and look in Mower Parts & Accessories, under Home & Garden, not just in Mowers.

Edited May 10, 2020 by SPINJIM

[Ed Kennell 38,022]

@ATolles    PM sent.

[ATolles 52]

@Ed Kennell & @SPINJIM

 

Just ordered it! You guys are awesome! Really appreciate the help!

[johnnymag3 2,515]

1 hour ago, SPINJIM said:

 

I strongly urge you to buy the dipstick and tube on ebay.  It came off of a 417A, so it's going to work perfectly.   At only $15 and free shipping, it's not worth the trouble to jury rig something.  I've bought a few parts from Matt, and he always ships promptly.

   Jim

MATTVERDILL....GOOD GUY / SELLER

I use him often

[ATolles 52]

I changed the oil (10W-30) today in the Eaton 1100 transmission and used a NAPA (WIX) 1410 Trans filter. I also changed the oil in the KT17 Series 2 motor (SAE 30) and installed a new fuel filter. Is there an oil filter for the KT17 Series 2 motor? I didn’t see one. Thanks.

[SPINJIM 1,981]

9 minutes ago, ATolles said:

I changed the oil (10W-30) today in the Eaton 1100 transmission and used a NAPA (WIX) 1410 Trans filter. I also changed the oil in the KT17 Series 2 motor (SAE 30) and installed a new fuel filter. Is there an oil filter for the KT17 Series 2 motor? I didn’t see one. Thanks.

 

Kohler part # 52 050 02.    Filter located on back  or left side of engine, under the battery tray.

[ATolles 52]

I looked everywhere and count find one on mine. I found a manual for the KT17 Series 2. I think the oil filter was an option.

[Ed Kennell 38,022]

No filter on my KT17 either.

 

[cleat 5,809]

18 hours ago, ATolles said:

I may of found an issue. I went to check the transmission level and there is a plug in it? Any ideas?

 

As well as the transmission dipstick / water issue I would also replace that fuel cap.

 

That one is like a funnel to get water into your gas.

 

I think you will be replacing your transmission fluid several times to get rid of all that bad stuff.

 

If it were me I would buy cheap 10w30 and cheap oil filters (fram PH2844 should fit)

 

Once the oil is clean you can upgrade to better oil and a NAPA 1410 filter.

 

 

[cleat 5,809]

18 hours ago, ATolles said:

I may of found an issue. I went to check the transmission level and there is a plug in it? Any ideas?

 

As well as the transmission dipstick / water issue I would also replace that fuel cap.

 

That one is like a funnel to get water into your gas.

 

I think you will be replacing your transmission fluid several times to get rid of all that bad stuff.

 

If it were me I would buy cheap 10w30 and cheap oil filters (fram PH2844 should fit)

 

Once the oil is clean you can upgrade to better oil and a NAPA 1410 filter.

 

 

[cleat 5,809]

Sorry for the double post, I am not sure what happened.

[ATolles 52]

@cleat Good advice on the gas cap. I just ordered a new 7” long one from Amazon.

[ATolles 52]

Started getting some new things for my 417-A.  I put on a new gas cap with level indicator and new trans dipstick assembly.  Changed the trans oil and filter (changing for a second time today because there was so much bad oil the first time), KT17 motor oil, and fuel filter.  I’m looking for the part number for the KT17 Series 2 air filter. Anyone have that number? Thanks.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,032]

Found this

https://www.partstree.com/models/kt17-24323-kohler-k-series-engine-made-for-wheel-horse-17hp/air-intake-1-15-1-0/

 

This one is 7" OD x 5/1/2" ID x 1-3/4" ht.

Garry

[ATolles 52]

@gwest_ca Really appreciate the info. The filter housing that I’m putting the filter in is the series 2 deicing version. I should be able to find the size from the file though gave me. Thanks.