I would like 8 speed posi in my 414-8

[AHS 1,443]

I live in Maine, there is snow for approx 6 months out the year (depressing!!) and my 414-8 has become my snowblower! Nothing aggravates me more than getting stuck and 1 tire spinning, when you know two tires spinning would get you out! Any way of getting posi? The 60’s and early 70’s WH has posi...just take a posi carrier (from the 60’s) and shove it in the 414? I’m open to any ideas...

[rjg854 11,481]

I'll tag @stevasaurus he would be one who would know

[ebinmaine 68,345]

I'm going to answer your question by not actually answering your question.

You probably don't need limited-slip. You probably need MORE WEIGHT AND TRACTION.

 

Yes I do realize that is not what you asked for.

 

My Cinnamon Horse. C-160. Open differential. 8 speed.

Total weight of about 1350 lb.

I live on the side of a mountain. I do not get stuck.

 

Okay now that said. Yes you can swap a 6-speed into your tractor and have limited slip.

Your brake linkage geometry may change a little and may be challenging to line up. Maybe not.

 

 

[AHS 1,443]

35 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I'm going to answer your question by not actually answering your question.

You probably don't need limited-slip. You probably need MORE WEIGHT AND TRACTION.

 

Yes I do realize that is not what you asked for.

 

My Cinnamon Horse. C-160. Open differential. 8 speed.

Total weight of about 1350 lb.

I live on the side of a mountain. I do not get stuck.

 

Okay now that said. Yes you can swap a 6-speed into your tractor and have limited slip.

Your brake linkage geometry may change a little and may be challenging to line up. Maybe not.

 

 

Ok.. I have chain but no weight. I have a set of AG tires, but I’m planning on adding fluid and tubes to them.

[ebinmaine 68,345]

1 minute ago, AHS said:

Ok.. I have chain but no weight. I have a set of AG tires, but I’m planning on adding fluid and tubes to them.

I run AG tires year-round because we have a gravel driveway and rough Forest of course.

 

the ones that are on my c-160 are fluid-filled and I also have four link chains on them for winter plowing usage only.

 

People have variable experiences based on many different factors.

IMHO if you want the smoothest ride with the best traction, use regular turf tires with 2 link chains and get as much weight as you can possibly get on them and fluid-filled inside.

 

I'm not trying to counterbalance the heavy weight of a snow blower.

You could put a little more weight even, on the back of the tractor using a trailer hitch.

 

[AHS 1,443]

11 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I run AG tires year-round because we have a gravel driveway and rough Forest of course.

 

the ones that are on my c-160 are fluid-filled and I also have four link chains on them for winter plowing usage only.

 

People have variable experiences based on many different factors.

IMHO if you want the smoothest ride with the best traction, use regular turf tires with 2 link chains and get as much weight as you can possibly get on them and fluid-filled inside.

 

I'm not trying to counterbalance the heavy weight of a snow blower.

You could put a little more weight even, on the back of the tractor using a trailer hitch.

 

I have two link chains... and they are awesome! I would only use the ag tires for winter.. just a quick fall change from summer tread to ag.

[oliver2-44 9,860]

I live in Texas and have no snow knowledge.  However, I have pushed a lot of dirt with my C160 snow/dozer blade.  First, no chains & no weight, then added chains, what an improvement. Then fluid filled tires and 66 lb weights on each rear tire, its now a pushing beast.  

But with that said, it would seem with the weight of the snowblower hanging up front it's offsetting some of the weight you have on the rear, so you really need the extra weight on the rear that @ebinmaine  is talking about. 

[pfrederi 17,867]

First off a hydro is a better choice for snow blowing especially with a single stage blower.  You can vary your speed to keep the blower full.  Single stages do not throw well if they are not getting enough snow.  OK if you only have an 8 speed you can make it limited slip.   You will need a 10 pinion differential and if your tranny has a one piece mushroom gear you will need to get a two piece one also.

 

As pointed out above WEIGHT and chains will be a huge help.  Front wheel weights and chains will make controlling things when the blower is on the ground better.  Lots of weight on the stern also.  When you raise the blower (like to back up ) you unload the rear end.  Turfs and chains are good Narrow tires and chains are better....

 

 

[stevasaurus 22,863]

Here is what I found...

https://itstillruns.com/differences-between-positraction-limited-slip-7669936.html

 

I think Eric has the right idea, but he is using the wrong material...ie...Wheel Horse transmissions and parts.  I think the right way to tackle this issue is to find a Pontiac or Ford Ranger posi-traction rear end.  Cut out a section of the axles and axle housing so you have a finish of about 3' and weld the pieces back together.  Poof, there it is...it's that easy.  Not really!  Cars have a transmission and a differential that are separate.  Wheel Horse is in the same case.  Wheel Horse works with either vertical or horizontal shaft engines...belts and pulleys...not drive shafts.

   What would Ian do???  He would build a dune buggy using big twin motor cycle engines, drive shafts, and Pontiac rear ends...and mount a Wheel Horse snow blade on it.  

    To answer your question, Wheel Horse made 3 Limited Slip transmissions...#5060, #5071 & #5073.  They should all bolt right in.  The issue is your linkage.  Your 414-8 has the brake drum on the cluster gear shaft, and so does the #5073.  The #5060 & the #5071 has the brake drum on the Mushroom gear.  If you can find the whole trans, go for the #5073.

    I'm not familiar with the 414-8, some of these horses come with an 8 speed transmission, but some have 1" axles.  If you have 1" axles, you need a case with 1 1/8" axles.  If you have 1 1/8" axles, you will need a 10 pinion LS differential from any of the 3 LS trannys...and you also need a 2 piece mushroom gear.   

[oldlineman 1,482]

I have a 1989 414-8 it has 1 1/8 axles Steve.

[The Tuul Crib 7,337]

1 hour ago, oldlineman said:

I have a 1989 414-8 it has 1 1/8 axles Steve.

I believe I have the same transmission as you do on my 1987 414-8 . It  also Has 

1 1/8 axles.

[stevasaurus 22,863]

It's like the 310-8 that has the 1" axles.     It's just something to be careful with...knowing just because you have an 8 speed, doesn't mean you have 1 1/8" axles.  You have to have a case that uses 1 1/8" axles to try to change out the existing differential to a 10 pinion Limited Slip differential.

[AHS 1,443]

@pfrederi what do you have for rear tires? What size are they? They are narrow!!😁👍

[wallfish 17,079]

You can take a shortcut, skip the limited slip part and lock the pinion gears. Both tires will spin but it tends to push the steering forward.

Maybe there's a way to lock it and unlock it? drill a hole all the way through one of the axles and active a spring with a cam when you turn it or push pull it?

[pfrederi 17,867]

35 minutes ago, AHS said:

@pfrederi what do you have for rear tires? What size are they? They are narrow!!😁👍

 

 

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the chains are US Army surplus for jeeps 6.00x16 cut down.  Weed made in US an tough...

[AHS 1,443]

1 minute ago, pfrederi said:

 

 

6.00x12

the chains are US Army surplus for jeeps 6.00x16 cut down.  Weed made in US an tough...

Ok! I was gonna say, they look like some old tires for my fathers 63 Jeep!😁

[AHS 1,443]

I think that @ebinmaine is right, adding weight instead of tearing thru a transmission!!😁

[ebinmaine 68,345]

You may have already seen the following video but it shows the area that we plow.

 

We also go down behind the house towards the shed sometimes.

 

Like I said above. I don't get stuck.

 

 

 

 

[Oldskool 6,653]

9 hours ago, AHS said:

I live in Maine, there is snow for approx 6 months out the year (depressing!!)  ..

Up on that rt9 corridor you must get 8 months worth of snow in the 6 months

[ebinmaine 68,345]

3 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

Up on that rt9 corridor you must get 8 months worth of snow in the 6 months

Ahhhhh.... The Airline.....

 

I've driven that stretch of road a couple times from Calais Machias area headed south. Not something I would want to do on a regular basis.

[Oldskool 6,653]

19 minutes ago, AHS said:

I think that @ebinmaine is right, adding weight instead of tearing thru a transmission!!😁

When I  used to cut pulp wood we used a skipjack/jitterbug, jitney what ever you want to call it. It was 2wd with Canadian chains and weight and you could go thru 2ft of snow without batting an eye. It wasn't posi. That being said. Weight and good chains is the way to go

[ebinmaine 68,345]

25 minutes ago, Oldskool said:

skipjack/jitterbug, jitney what ever

Heard em called a doodlebug too...

[Oldskool 6,653]

12 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Heard em called a doodlebug too...

Just as many name as there is ways of building one

[AHS 1,443]

57 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Ahhhhh.... The Airline.....

 

I've driven that stretch of road a couple times from Calais Machias area headed south. Not something I would want to do on a regular basis.

Each time you hit Clifton, you drive by my house!😁

[ebinmaine 68,345]

3 minutes ago, AHS said:

Each time you hit Clifton, you drive by my house!😁

I ever get up there again I'll bring a Power King sized trailer...